Today's the big day

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May 14, 2009
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2 C22 San Diego
I bought a catalina 22 last weekend, I'm trailering it over the hill and putting it in the water for my first time today in mission bay, san diego
Me and my lil boy are going to camp on it for the weekend
I never really sailed before except I had a lil 10' hobie bravo catamaran for a year or so, but it was easy with a furling mast and no jib
I got a very responsible and experienced c22 owning buddy of mine meeting me at the bay in a couple hours to put the boat together and show me how to sail it today, after that we're on our own for the rest of the weekend :D
I'm taking sleeping bags, clothes, a coleman stove, lots of beverages, water and food
dumped the old gas, lubed everything, new batteries in the GPS, radios, lights, and charged the marine battery in the boat
I have a boatload of questions.. how do you anchor that thing for the night?
do I need to drag that boom tent with me? it's taking up space in the V berth

wish me luck, I'll be checkin in on my pda... if yoiu see an SOS in this thread come get me lol :D

 

sfgary

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Sep 25, 2008
123
Challenger sloop Alameda
Congradulations Steve, the boat looks great but be very careful where you anchor and how you anchor. Stay out of all navigable channels and be sure to let out enough scope(amount of rode). You should have at least 4 to 1. If your in 25 feet of water you should let out 100 feet of rode. Be sure to back down on the power to set the hook. You should have your buddy go out with you 1 time to help you with anchoring. Have a great time and be safe. Gary
 

RECESS

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Dec 20, 2003
1,509
Catalina 27 . St. Mary's Georgia
I would keep the boom tent. Shade is a real nice thing to have. There may be a better person that is familar with your area's sea floor for the anchoring question.

Have a great time, and expect to have challenges.
 
May 14, 2009
25
2 C22 San Diego
good ideas, thanks!

Just about out of here, I'm still finding more and more stuff to throw in the boat :D
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
That is the way it always goes. You always find more to put in the boat when you are getting ready to go.

The only way to learn is to get out there and do it. You will be fine as long as you have safety gear with you. If you make a mistake it is a learning experience and all of us on here have made them from time to time. Do things slowly and cautiously and even if you make a small mistake you will get through it. Enjoy your weekend.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,323
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Steve.... the only place you can anchor in mission bay over night is in mariner's cove. there is no fee. Call the lifeguard/harbor police if you are unsure about where to anchor. They monitor Channel 16 or call them on your cell.

When you anchor in the cove, let out at least 5-7 x depth for your scope, then throttle in reverse to set the hook.

Pick a spot where you won't interfere with other anchor lines if the boats swing around.

If you want a guest slip, check over at my place...Marina Village Marina.
 

biggio

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Aug 12, 2007
87
Catalina 27 Mandeville, La.
Becareful of your battery usage. Check your bilge pump and make sure it is working.
I would recommend a five gallon bucket and a hand pump back up to the bilge pump.
Be very careful going forward to raise the headsail. There is not alot of room for a mistep.
Teach your son to turn into the wind to stop the boat.
I have a Cat 27 and have had to use the hand pump
and bucket after a bilge pump failure.
 
May 14, 2009
25
2 C22 San Diego
Well we are anchored in mariners covturns out my buddy was not as responsible as I thought :D he got drunk and wanted to swim home
He did show me some stuff, we took him back to his car and me and kid just finished eatng on the boat
I guess I'm anchored ok, we aren't drifting but we swinging a lot
There's a lot of boats here, there's a concert going on and seaworld just finished shooting off fireworks
The kid is having a blast and fell asleep :)
I'm going to chech the bilge
Thanks guys!
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Catalina 22 should have a dry bilge. You don't have the shaft going through the hull so it won't drip at all. you may see some water in the boat after some rain but my Hunter 22 NEVER had water in the bilge.

Battery power should be a huge worry for you. Get a nice solar or battery powered lantern to light up the cabin at night.

As far as the anchor, back down on it pretty good with the engine when you set it. The boat should lurch forward after you put the outboard in neutral. Scope should be set at 7 to 1 most of the time. Odds are that someday you will drag anchor...it is no big deal as long as you catch it before you hit anything. It is normal to swing on the anchor. My Hunter 22 did that big time and my Catalina 30 does it as well.

Enjoy your trip and hopefully your son will become a big fan of the boat. It is always nice to have someone to share your passions with.
 
May 14, 2009
25
2 C22 San Diego
Thanks
I checked the bilge. Its dry like you said
I got a battery powered lantern going now
I'm a little worried about the anchor
I don't know how much line put out, maybe a hubdred feet and I'm in 25 feet of water
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
If it is settled weather and storms come up you are usually okay with a shorter rode. The other thought is what type of anchor do you have out? I would assume that you have a danforth out because that is really common and that is what my Hunter 22 had. Other consideration is what type of bottom are you anchored in?

I just put a bruce anchor on my Catalina 30. I love the anchor and it sets really well.

When you pan out the rode it easiest way to ensure a set is to have your boat going backwards when you play out the rode. Once you have put out about 30 feet (this is for 8 feet of water and adjust it to what depth you are in) take the rode and put it around the cleat. You will feel the anchor set. If it continues dragging along the bottom it didn't set. Pick it up and get yourself back into position and re-deploy the anchor. With a danforth this can take a few attempts.

If the anchor sets the rode will pull tight and the boat will stop it's progress backwards. Once that is done let out the amount of scope that you are going to use and cleat off the line. The boat will drift backwards with the wind or current. Go head and back down on the anchor again and give it a descent amount of force backwards. If it is truely set it will not break out of the bottom and the boat will not make any progress backwards once the rode is stretched. When you shift to neutral the boat will move forward as the rode slackens up. This is okay.

Another good idea is that once you are set in a place and you believe that you have a set, pick two points and observe your relation to them. If this relation makes a change then you could be drifting.
 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I'd point out that your scope calculations should include the height of the bow roller off the water and the expected depth of water at high tide...this can make a huge difference in your calculations.

For instance, say you're anchored in 10' of water at low tide, and the tide will rise 7' and the bow roller of the boat is 3' off the surface. A base calculation of a 5:1 scope with 10' of water depth gives you 50' of rode out.. However, at high tide the distance from the bow roller to the bottom would be 20', making your scope actually only 2.5:1—which is really too short for good holding in most situations.

Now, if you were to account for the bow roller and tide change, you'd have put out 100' of rode, rather than 50'. At low tide, this gives you what appears to be a 10:1 scope, but in reality, at low tide, it is only a 6.9:1 scope or so... since the bow roller height makes the actual depth 13', not 10'.

Congradulations Steve, the boat looks great but be very careful where you anchor and how you anchor. Stay out of all navigable channels and be sure to let out enough scope(amount of rode). You should have at least 4 to 1. If your in 25 feet of water you should let out 100 feet of rode. Be sure to back down on the power to set the hook. You should have your buddy go out with you 1 time to help you with anchoring. Have a great time and be safe. Gary
 
May 14, 2009
25
2 C22 San Diego
Well it was a great first trip on the boat
We had a blast
Sailing was very easy for us, pretty much the same as on the little catamaran, except you release one jib line and pull the other one when tacking

the only heart thumping moment came when we decided to go out into the ocean... the outboard died right as we exited the mouth of the channel and we were quickly being blown into the wave crashing jetty
It took a moment's thought, but when a couiple pulls on the motor produced nothing I ended up rasing the main and got turned into the wind and back into the channel
turns out I had run the motor out of gas... won't do that again :D

First thoughts are... the vberth is really tiny to sleep in, the boat gets cluttered FAST, the porta potty (and just about everything else) is just the right height to bang your head over and over, outboards hold a lot less gas than you think, and trailer sailboats require a lot of time to setup and take down, it's not something I'd want to do for just a day of sailing.

lucky for me I have a full summer of three day weekends coming up

Thanks everybody!

here's my lil boy on the tiller...

 
Oct 22, 2008
3,502
- Telstar 28 Buzzards Bay
I'd recommend you stay inside the harbor until you know the boat a bit better. :)
 
May 14, 2009
25
2 C22 San Diego
I'd recommend you stay inside the harbor until you know the boat a bit better. :)
good call
my lil boy saw my urgency and started crying
when we got back in I took him for one little relaxed sail across the bay so it wouldn't end on a bad note for him and we packed up and went home
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Way to go Steve

Your boy looks like he was having fun driving Daddy's boat.

One thing for such a young lad. Get a better life vest. If he goes into the water with that one, he can slip out of the arms. Get one that has straps that go through between his legs then he can't slip out...

Have fun, it is a great treat having the kids on the boat...
 
May 14, 2009
25
2 C22 San Diego
Re: Way to go Steve

thanks, he has a couple of water skiing vests that fit him good
we didn't think to bring them, we will next time

he sure does love the boat :)
he's really good at boating, here he is driving our other boat

 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
I trailer sailed my Hunter 22 for one year. After that I put it in a slip. Stepping the mast every time is a PITA.
 
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