To Trailer or not to...

Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
You are getting a deal on a boat with good bones and you can't afford to pay $2k to get it professionally delivered?
Well... I guess that is a good point. I am reluctant because I want to do it myself, but I think my trailer is not up to it, so... I will make a call!
I do like to do things myself, and that may lead me to a bit of narrowing of the mind!
So, you make a good point. By the way, the price you quote is prophetic.
 
Jul 1, 2010
990
Catalina 350 Port Huron
Even though it will cost some bucks, there's something to be said for just having it show up at your door, no muss no fuss...no multiple trips, disassembling parts and hauling them separate, etc.

Doug4bass, as far as weighing....The DOT cops do that all the time right on the road here frequently. They like to pull over overweight and unsafe trailers and trucks before they have a chance to hit the hills around here. They use a portable weighing setup. I'm sure in the event of an accident, if there's any question on whether the trailer or truck is overloaded, they'd weigh it.

I once lost a boat trailer wheel myself on a powerboat I was towing from about 15 miles away from my house. I just bought the thing and never thought I needed to check the wheels before I hauled it home. Little did I know, the previous owner had painted them and never retorqued the lug nuts properly. The wheel passed me on a 2 lane highway and took out a Honda going the other way. Thank goodness it hit the car low, and was driven down into the pavement. No one was hurt, and the boat and trailer finished the trip home on a flatbed. Could have been much worse. I'm pretty careful these days.
 
Jun 8, 2004
10,536
-na -NA Anywhere USA
Agprice22;
As a former dealer who pulled a lot of boats, designed sailboat trailers, use to teach trailer safety and so on, I will pipe in.
First the gross vehicle weight include that of the trailer, boat and gear. If you are ever pulled over by State Police or DOT and weighed, you in many cases if over GVWR will not be able to move that trailer unless to get it off the interstate or on secondary routes pulled to a "safe" area. Although you are private pulling, they will fine you and those fines are enourmous. Therefore, I would not go over the gross vehicle rating.
I have seen the aftermath of over weighted trailers and the damage. One time I came to my dealership and and found blocking the entrance to my dealership a MacGregor 22 trailer loaded with a 4000 lb boat that nearly collapsed. It cost that owner a lot to move the boat and to bring in another trailer which I refused to load onto due to GVWR being way over. He was bent bound and determined bringing in a crane onto my dealership after hours when we were gone, loading up that boat. Well, 10 miles down the road, he lost the entire rig and his truck. No one was hurt but had to pay damages and a lot of fines. I refused to help in the future.

When trailers are designed, there should be a 10% safety margin built into the load. What I mean is the total weight of trailer, boat, gear and so on should not exceed the GVWR of 90% leaving a 10% safety margin. The idea of the boat being lower on a trailer is good when you are lowering the Center of Gravity. For high keel boats, the CG is greater, thus lower speeds and SAFETY IN CURVES AND BRAKING have to be considered more vs. swing keel boats sitting much lower on trailers.

You can beef up any trailer adding additional weight but there are two primary considerations. Believe it or not, axles and tires are rated to carry just so much. That is a major factor when designing trailers. Then from there, placement of bunk style supports or boat stands. When putting a cradle on, securing a boat to the cradle as well as the cradle to the trailer is a must.

When you load any boat onto a trailer, some think you need to place it so the axles are carrying equal weight. That is totally unsafe as that trailer will sway on you regardless. This is why when loading that the industry norm is 10% of the total GVWR should be on the trailer tongue.

Strapping keel style sailboats onto trailers without the bow resting on a bow chock attached to a winch stand is another issue. I have always suggested strapping down with four straps. One should be from the bow going backwards with another from the stern going forwards. Strapping over the boats side to side does not cut it with me. As a former investigator and sailboat dealer, I can tell you sailboats of any size will move for example when the idiot lane changer cuts in front of you and you have to apply your brakes suddenly. The two added straps will greatly enhance that from happennning. Fired an employee who did not follow my rules as he nearly lost a Catalina 309 on a tandem axle trailer. NO damage to the boat, but extensive repairs to the trailer not to mention a new transmission.

I could go on but if bent bound and determined, first look at your trailer axles and tires and see what the capacity ratings are. Jackdaw is correct in many cases insurance will not cover if the owner uses unwise judgement. In Virginia as in many states, homebuilt trailers have to be inspected before you get a title to a home built trailer. In some cases, states require any modifications to be inspected but that is state by state. Some states require annual inspections with two axles, any brakes on a trailer, and so on but again this is a state by state issue as there are no uniform laws across the state lines.
 

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
Yep, opening up your check book is always the easy, simple way. I reck'n Agprice22 is like me........hates to spend money due to my own laziness or refusing to do homework on how to do a project. Heck, when I got quotes of $1500-$2000 on recovering all my cushions, I bought a sewing machine and learned to do it myself. Paying $2000 to have it hauled when there are cheaper options is insane. He has been towing his 5400lb O'day so he has experience. $2000 can buy a lot of stuff on a project boat. My only question is how he plans on removing the boat off the trailer and onto stands? If he will be working on it in a boat yard then no problem. If it's in his yard like mine then he would require a crane. In that case it may be worth to have it hauled professionally with a hydraulic trailer depending on what the crane fees are.
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Yeah, I am soliciting some quotes for transport now. It may be a good deal on the boat til I smear that sucker all over the road, incur fines, or have to pay to have it moved. I do not want to be the fool who utters the words, "hey, watch this," just prior to seeing my trailer axles bend... or worse!

We shall see... maybe I will find a bigger trailer too. I can pull the boat. I just don't trust the trailer.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Overall, the J30 is a decent boat. While only the 2nd J/boat designed (after the 24), it has no real big flaws, which is kinda amazing. Masts on the older ones were crappy. Its lineage with the J/24 is very obvious; It sails and feels and crews like a big J/24, which has its good points and bad points.

They used to have a solid One Design going; but that has really fallen off.

Good deals on solid hulls can be found for sure; but re-fitting any on the big stuff (engine, sails, bottom, etc) will start to ad up fast. Good luck with it!
 
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Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Dang it! The first transport quote came back at more than the price of the boat! I will wait for more quotes, but I may have to pass, or I may have to go and drop the keel and transport it myself.
Grrrrrrr....
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,850
- -- -Bayfield
I haul boats all the time and if you are pulling it 4 hours, you must be a good distance away. If you were only a mile or so, you might be able to wing it, but on long trips, things heat up and it makes sense to have the right trailer for the job. Anything over 8.5 feet requires a permit (which is cheap for a single trip and if you get caught without one, it isn't cheap). Anything over 9' requires flagging. Not only do you have to be concerned about the trailer holding together, you also have to worry about being able to stop the damned thing - especially in an emergency. You also have to know that your tires are rated for the load. I saw a 31-foot boat end up off the trailer on the side of the road in rush hour because the trailer broke. A bulldozer came and pushed it off to the side of the road to clear it from traffic. Not a pretty site. Doesn't make much sense to risk things to save money. If the boat is that cheap, maybe it is worth paying the price to have it delivered. And, if it is a matter of having too little cash to make this all work, remember you have to spend money on insurance, a place to float it, marina costs too, storage, maintenance - hmmmm. Better rethink this.
 
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Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
Hey all... I passed on the J/30 due to distance, lack of a suitable trailer, and transport costs... all with good advice from you!

But... Have I Gone Over To The Dark Side? ...
We chose another project: a 2005 Telstar 28...Trimaran... it is a neat boat, but not a "neat" boat! It has not been taken care of, so it will be a project to bring it back to glory. Right up my alley.
I never sailed a multihull until the short seatrial for this one. I had ridden on my father's Hobie Cat as a child, but that is all. The Telstar did sail fast and flat. I like the first feature, and the admiral likes the second. We looked at lots of videos and reviews of these boats with "training wheels," as the admiral calls them. People seemed pleased. The folding outriggers, well designed gin pole setup, and the light weight and nice trailer sealed the deal for us. It has working instruments, radio, radar (? Huh? It was on a lake!) and all, but I never bank on those. I buy the boat.
We will start a new thread and keep you up to date on the project which is really cosmetics, since the rig and interior are sound. I do need to reassemble the furlex, since several POs decided they wanted a CamberSpar instead... huh? Yikes. "I want my Mtv"! (80's speak for gimme my 150 Genoa!)
Oh... another cool thing... it has a bowsprit. I can mount another furler and fly a downwind sail. That should be fun!
The boat really reaches, runs, and sailed a pretty nice beat. I gotta believe I can improve its performance with a genoa and downwind sail.

Thanks for your guidance... I will keep you up to date.

Andrew
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
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Jul 5, 2007
196
Kenner Privateer 26 schooner, Carlyle Illinois
I had a similar situation, and added a third axle to my trailer. Took about $300.00 and a couple hours welding.
 
Aug 3, 2012
2,542
Performance Cruising Telstar 28 302 Watkins Glen
I had a similar situation, and added a third axle to my trailer. Took about $300.00 and a couple hours welding.
Dang it! Now you tell me! I already bought my next project boat, and it came with a great trailer.