to paint or not to paint

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Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
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other 12 wet water
I must do something with my mast. It has the original paint(white) on it now and something must be done. I was thinking about painting it black. I like the look. But, then again, I was thinking about leaving it natural. If I leave it natural, should it be clear coated? With what, if anything should I clear coat it with? I've heard of people powder coating them. I'm not that anal. I just want it to look good and last, no matter which way I go. Any proven methods for a lasting finish? The original finish has made it 25 years now and probably should of been re coated ten years ago. It'll be down soon and I must do something. I can't put it back in the air the way it looks now. Help!!
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
732
other 12 wet water
I must do something with my mast. It has the original paint(white) on it now and something must be done. I was thinking about painting it black. I like the look. But, then again, I was thinking about leaving it natural. If I leave it natural, should it be clear coated? With what, if anything should I clear coat it with? I've heard of people powder coating them. I'm not that anal. I just want it to look good and last, no matter which way I go. Any proven methods for a lasting finish? The original finish has made it 25 years now and probably should of been re coated ten years ago. It'll be down soon and I must do something. I can't put it back in the air the way it looks now. Help!!
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Natural

If you go natural you will never have to mess with it again.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Natural

If you go natural you will never have to mess with it again.
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,172
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Probably best to paint...

Assuming you are talking about an aluminum mast: If it is anodized, by all means, "go natural". If it is not anodized, aluminum should be protected by paint or a clear coat. Otherwise you will get black streaks on your mast and your deck, and ultimately corrosion (evidenced by white powder)and pitting. If your mast was originally painted by the manufacturer, I would think it is probably not anodized. Why would they both anodize and paint when either one will adequately protect the aluminum? To my understanding, two or three coats of either one or two part polyurethane is generally recommended for aluminum masts. I am facing the same project this spring on my 1982 Hunter 30. The mast was originally painted by the manufacturer, the PO repainted it at least once and multiple layers are peeling now. Right now, my plan is to wire brush it down to bare aluminum and repaint. If anyone out there knows a better/easier way, I would certainly be interested. Considering what my work schedule is starting to look like for this spring, if anyone knows a good mast painter in Chicago, I might be interested in talking to them.
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,172
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Probably best to paint...

Assuming you are talking about an aluminum mast: If it is anodized, by all means, "go natural". If it is not anodized, aluminum should be protected by paint or a clear coat. Otherwise you will get black streaks on your mast and your deck, and ultimately corrosion (evidenced by white powder)and pitting. If your mast was originally painted by the manufacturer, I would think it is probably not anodized. Why would they both anodize and paint when either one will adequately protect the aluminum? To my understanding, two or three coats of either one or two part polyurethane is generally recommended for aluminum masts. I am facing the same project this spring on my 1982 Hunter 30. The mast was originally painted by the manufacturer, the PO repainted it at least once and multiple layers are peeling now. Right now, my plan is to wire brush it down to bare aluminum and repaint. If anyone out there knows a better/easier way, I would certainly be interested. Considering what my work schedule is starting to look like for this spring, if anyone knows a good mast painter in Chicago, I might be interested in talking to them.
 
Dec 8, 2007
478
Irwin 41 CC Ketch LaConner WA
Just did mine

Quote: "Right now, my plan is to wire brush it down to bare aluminum and repaint. If anyone out there knows a better/easier way, I would certainly be interested." It's not that easy. Once you get all the paint off you then need to etch it, then prime it, then paint it. Thats why your PO's paint job failed because he didnt do all that.
 
Dec 8, 2007
478
Irwin 41 CC Ketch LaConner WA
Just did mine

Quote: "Right now, my plan is to wire brush it down to bare aluminum and repaint. If anyone out there knows a better/easier way, I would certainly be interested." It's not that easy. Once you get all the paint off you then need to etch it, then prime it, then paint it. Thats why your PO's paint job failed because he didnt do all that.
 
Feb 4, 2005
524
Catalina C-30 Mattituck, NY
Paint it white

There is no easy way here but I tell you - the result will amaze you and dress up your boat like you would not believe. I just painted my mast and boom white last year on my old 78 Catalina....the boat looks 10 years younger! Its all in the prep so make sure you wire-brush, sand and etch correctly after you remove all the hardware. Don't take short cuts. Get an impound wrench at sears (about $20) to remove any stubborn screws. Try to avoid using WD40. Go with any type of 2-part polyurethane or awlgrip. I used a 2-part paint called Imron but it needs to be professionally sprayed on (I have a buddy that owns an autobody shop and he did it for me after I prepared it). You are fine rolling on any type of 2-part though and I think spraying may even be overkill. Good luck and search the archives - lots on paints. Also, how is your mast wiring? Might be a good time to replace that as well. Rob
 
Feb 4, 2005
524
Catalina C-30 Mattituck, NY
Paint it white

There is no easy way here but I tell you - the result will amaze you and dress up your boat like you would not believe. I just painted my mast and boom white last year on my old 78 Catalina....the boat looks 10 years younger! Its all in the prep so make sure you wire-brush, sand and etch correctly after you remove all the hardware. Don't take short cuts. Get an impound wrench at sears (about $20) to remove any stubborn screws. Try to avoid using WD40. Go with any type of 2-part polyurethane or awlgrip. I used a 2-part paint called Imron but it needs to be professionally sprayed on (I have a buddy that owns an autobody shop and he did it for me after I prepared it). You are fine rolling on any type of 2-part though and I think spraying may even be overkill. Good luck and search the archives - lots on paints. Also, how is your mast wiring? Might be a good time to replace that as well. Rob
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
I agree with Higgs and Dalliance

but it would be tough to anodize if it's not... due to the length. All airplane parts are anodized. My mast is painted gray... it has some bare spots... but no peeling paint. Actually... I have a Hobie with a black anodized mast... it is an 87 and looks great. Maybe you could give them a call on the particulars and kill 2 birds with one stone.
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
I agree with Higgs and Dalliance

but it would be tough to anodize if it's not... due to the length. All airplane parts are anodized. My mast is painted gray... it has some bare spots... but no peeling paint. Actually... I have a Hobie with a black anodized mast... it is an 87 and looks great. Maybe you could give them a call on the particulars and kill 2 birds with one stone.
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
732
other 12 wet water
thank you

It sounds like I should 1) sand the existing finish (white paint) with a fine paper, then use, 2)interlux primer-wash, then use, 3)interlux interthane plus Two coats fine sanding between coats. Does that sound about right? Is using interlux products, the best way to go? From what I've read, I should definitely use a two part paint. Some say to use a spray can of appliance white from the local box store. That sounds to be to easy. Any other suggestions? Thanks again Keep it up, Ctskip
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
732
other 12 wet water
thank you

It sounds like I should 1) sand the existing finish (white paint) with a fine paper, then use, 2)interlux primer-wash, then use, 3)interlux interthane plus Two coats fine sanding between coats. Does that sound about right? Is using interlux products, the best way to go? From what I've read, I should definitely use a two part paint. Some say to use a spray can of appliance white from the local box store. That sounds to be to easy. Any other suggestions? Thanks again Keep it up, Ctskip
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
sounds like sanding...

would take a long time. How about some sort of chemical stripper and a wire brush or pressure washer? (I haven't done this before, just a suggestion) I would stay with all one product when you get to the priming and painting stage what ever you use. Once you get down to aluminum... there is a self etching primer at Napa made espically for aluminum, you would need to put a couple of finish coats over that. Interlux makes excellant products. Best of results, Rich
 
Jun 1, 2005
772
Pearson 303 Robinhood, ME
sounds like sanding...

would take a long time. How about some sort of chemical stripper and a wire brush or pressure washer? (I haven't done this before, just a suggestion) I would stay with all one product when you get to the priming and painting stage what ever you use. Once you get down to aluminum... there is a self etching primer at Napa made espically for aluminum, you would need to put a couple of finish coats over that. Interlux makes excellant products. Best of results, Rich
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,172
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Thanks Stillraining

I knew to prime before painting and failed to mention it, but I did not know about the need for etching the aluminum first. Great advice. Ctskip, we have a lot of work to do... Good luck.
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,172
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Thanks Stillraining

I knew to prime before painting and failed to mention it, but I did not know about the need for etching the aluminum first. Great advice. Ctskip, we have a lot of work to do... Good luck.
 
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Scott

Ct, you've got it right ...

Use a random orbit sander with 60 grit and the old paint comes off very nice. I ended up sanding with 150 grit to buff it out a little smoother. For my 33' stick the whole job of sanding took less than 2 hours so I was satisfied with that rather than working with chemicals. You'll get a nice shiny aluminum to start out with and it looks tempting to leave it natural. I felt that the 220 grit was maybe a little too fine and I was worrying about adherence of the paint. I couldn't find any advise on the grit for final sanding so I settled on 150 because it was the coarsest that would remove the evidence from the 60 grit and leaves the surface visually looking flawless. Before sanding, I removed everything from the mast with 2 exceptions. I did not remove the ears for the spreaders and I did not remove the boom vang collar (can't remember what that is called) at the base of the mast. These stainless steel attachments are riveted into the mast with large stainless steel rivits that I figured would be a bitch to remove and require special tools for replacement. They looked to be in perfect shape and I decided to work around them. Many people would say that this is a shortcut and that there could be corrosion associated with the interface between stainless steel and aluminum. After sanding, I could see no evidence of any corrosion, so I decided to paint around these attachments. Time will tell if this is a mistake, but I don't think so (so far). I used Interlux products and was completely satisfied. For this job, they recommend the vinyl-lux prime wash. When I did my boom the year before, I didn't use this product. Instead, I used a Rust-oleum bare metal primer. There is no evidence after 2 years that this was a mistake so the verdict is still out. The boom is obviously much easier to do over the winter so I have no worries. When I did the mast last winter, I did not want to take the chance of a mistake because I don't take the mast down every winter (and bring it home), so I followed recommendations. That vinyl-lux prime wash 353 is potent stuff and it is also 2-part. Make sure you use a high quality mask so that when you are doing this work you can't smell it. I think you can do some brain damage if you don't. I had my mast in the basement to work on it and when I did the prime wash, the smell even permeated into the 1st floor of our house. With windows open and some fans pulling the fumes out, it didn't last long. With my mask on, I could not detect any fumes. When I looked on line for the product it seemed to be sold in a gallon container and you won't need nearly that much. Check around by phone because I was able to find a provider who sold me a quart container. It is expensive stuff. I have enough left over for you to do yours, but I don't know the shelf life and I've had it almost a year now. I think I would keep it anyway. After one coat of prime wash, use the 2-part Interthane primer and then the 2-part poly-urethane paint (Perfection). You won't be sorry. I could not find any guidance on number of coats so I did 2 coats interthane primer and 4-coats Perfection. Tim from up in Maine used the flattener with Perfection to reduce the gloss. I like the gloss so I did not use the flattener. I applied with a brush and tried worked to keep the environment as dust free as possible in our basement. I am very pleased with the result but it took a lot of attention to make sure I did not get sags. I was the opposite of you. I had black and liked white. I guess that is a matter of personal preference.
 

Tim R.

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May 27, 2004
3,626
Caliber 40 Long Range Cruiser Portland, Maine
Scott

I decided against the flattening agent because I could not get the desired results and now after a season, I am glad I stayed with the gloss. Tim R.
 
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