The time has come for new water tanks and holding tank. I pretty much have decided to go with Gene's hanging locker holding tank arrangment. Like him, I don't use that lower space and can weld a tank up for myself so that will save a lot of $$$. My question to all of you is, if I cut the fiberglass tops off the setees will it hurt anything of importance such as integral strength. I intend to glass them back in after the new tanks are set in place. Personally, I can't see where this would hurt since they will go back in, but I'm open to your points of view. Thanks...Ron/KA5HZV
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I doubt if you can do it cheaper
than you can buy a tank from Ronco Plastics. Check out their catalog at the link below. They have more than 400 shapes and sizes...and plastic tanks can't ever corrode.
than you can buy a tank from Ronco Plastics. Check out their catalog at the link below. They have more than 400 shapes and sizes...and plastic tanks can't ever corrode.
Gene would know.
Have you had the wood trim off from around the settee's? Just wondering if it is really all one molded piece. Gene would know this since he extended his further into the salon. But cutting it out to remove and install new tanks should not hurt anything. You could make it even stronger when you glass it back in. How will you run the hoses from the starboard head to a port tank? Any direction will make for very long hoses. This means lots of water to keep the hoses clean which means very few days before pumpout. And you cannot put very much capacity in that hanging locker. But then I guess you have the option of pumping overboard.
For sure you cannot beat the price of my 22 gal. Ronco, less than $80. including shipping! And they installed the connections exactly where I asked them to. See Related Link.
Have you had the wood trim off from around the settee's? Just wondering if it is really all one molded piece. Gene would know this since he extended his further into the salon. But cutting it out to remove and install new tanks should not hurt anything. You could make it even stronger when you glass it back in. How will you run the hoses from the starboard head to a port tank? Any direction will make for very long hoses. This means lots of water to keep the hoses clean which means very few days before pumpout. And you cannot put very much capacity in that hanging locker. But then I guess you have the option of pumping overboard.
For sure you cannot beat the price of my 22 gal. Ronco, less than $80. including shipping! And they installed the connections exactly where I asked them to. See Related Link.Peggy and Ed
Didn't realize they were this cheap. A new light has dawned. As for the holding tank distance from the potty, I just don't want to deal with cutting that monster out right now. Thought maybe if I left it alone for a few years it might not be so... well, you know. But, I guess nothing worth doing comes easy. I'll have all of August and September to replace the tanks. Ronco, here I come... Thanks Ron/KA5HZV P.S. as for pumping overboard..it's no problem.. as long as you don't mind JAIL!
Didn't realize they were this cheap. A new light has dawned. As for the holding tank distance from the potty, I just don't want to deal with cutting that monster out right now. Thought maybe if I left it alone for a few years it might not be so... well, you know. But, I guess nothing worth doing comes easy. I'll have all of August and September to replace the tanks. Ronco, here I come... Thanks Ron/KA5HZV P.S. as for pumping overboard..it's no problem.. as long as you don't mind JAIL!
New Water Tanks ??
Recently began installing clean-outs in my water tanks and found several calcium deposits with pitting under them. Have you ever wondered what was inside the big water towers? Well I found out that the metal inside the tower is lined with an two part coating called "CIB 1610". It is a rubber coating (when cured)that is capable of filling small cracks and crevices (pits). Intend to clean my tanks, Marine Tex the pits to get a smooth surface and apply CIB 1610 to all sides. If you want more information on the coating let me know.
Recently began installing clean-outs in my water tanks and found several calcium deposits with pitting under them. Have you ever wondered what was inside the big water towers? Well I found out that the metal inside the tower is lined with an two part coating called "CIB 1610". It is a rubber coating (when cured)that is capable of filling small cracks and crevices (pits). Intend to clean my tanks, Marine Tex the pits to get a smooth surface and apply CIB 1610 to all sides. If you want more information on the coating let me know.
Well, you're right, I have been there
Answers to some questions: The settees don't add much, if any, strength to the setup. More details if you want them. As, to my holding tank - It works well, even with the long run. Peggy cautioned me several years ago that the long run, along with my cheap hose, would be problems. So far, (7 years) so good. What was a problem was that the aluminum tank didn't last long. If you do make your own out ofr aluminum, you MUST coat the inside with something, or expect to do a repeat in about 3 years. All our holding tanks are shot, and I expect that all our water tanks are on their last leg. I found the pitting you described also, and have had to line one tank. The other is probably about gone as well. If you have questions you feel I can answer, feel free to email me at rainbowchaser@ev1.net. I won't be on line much to check here.
Answers to some questions: The settees don't add much, if any, strength to the setup. More details if you want them. As, to my holding tank - It works well, even with the long run. Peggy cautioned me several years ago that the long run, along with my cheap hose, would be problems. So far, (7 years) so good. What was a problem was that the aluminum tank didn't last long. If you do make your own out ofr aluminum, you MUST coat the inside with something, or expect to do a repeat in about 3 years. All our holding tanks are shot, and I expect that all our water tanks are on their last leg. I found the pitting you described also, and have had to line one tank. The other is probably about gone as well. If you have questions you feel I can answer, feel free to email me at rainbowchaser@ev1.net. I won't be on line much to check here.
Holding Tank
I actually left the holding tank in the same spot and ran the hosing and pump out straight up behind the shower to the deck. It worked great and eliminated the odor in the V-Birth. I would recommend against the closet. Convert the lower space into a drawer!
I actually left the holding tank in the same spot and ran the hosing and pump out straight up behind the shower to the deck. It worked great and eliminated the odor in the V-Birth. I would recommend against the closet. Convert the lower space into a drawer!
Have to re-glass?
I have cut out the "bridge" between the two access panels on my port settee. After replacing the tank, do I have to re-glass it back?? I was considering making a piece out of ~ 3/4 inch plywood that I would bolt into the front and back of the top of the settee. I guess I'd have to seal where I cut, to avoid any moisture issues. But if there's no real structural implication, I figure why glass it in case I need to get back in for some reason down the road? Any thoughts? Thanks
I have cut out the "bridge" between the two access panels on my port settee. After replacing the tank, do I have to re-glass it back?? I was considering making a piece out of ~ 3/4 inch plywood that I would bolt into the front and back of the top of the settee. I guess I'd have to seal where I cut, to avoid any moisture issues. But if there's no real structural implication, I figure why glass it in case I need to get back in for some reason down the road? Any thoughts? Thanks
How much is gone?
Did you cut it out completely, end to end and from the teak trim all the way back to the hull? What will support the front of the settee? And if you use 3/4" plywood how will you secure the edge at the hull? However you do it I don't think a seal is required. There's more moisture in the air then you will get from the tank. Did you install aluminum or poly? Where did you get a tank that fits? This was not on my project list but I keep reading about leaking water tanks on old H37Cs.
Did you cut it out completely, end to end and from the teak trim all the way back to the hull? What will support the front of the settee? And if you use 3/4" plywood how will you secure the edge at the hull? However you do it I don't think a seal is required. There's more moisture in the air then you will get from the tank. Did you install aluminum or poly? Where did you get a tank that fits? This was not on my project list but I keep reading about leaking water tanks on old H37Cs.
Next week
I guess I'll start the project next week. Shouldn't take more than a few days (12 hour days) to get it done. Here's something new I'm considering. What if I slide the (new) starboard water tank all the way to the back (toward the stern) and use that space for a holding tank. I was going to go for a bigger water tank to fill the starboard space, but now I'm thinking this would be a great place for the new holding tank. Still close to the head. What do you think????? Ron/KA5HZV
I guess I'll start the project next week. Shouldn't take more than a few days (12 hour days) to get it done. Here's something new I'm considering. What if I slide the (new) starboard water tank all the way to the back (toward the stern) and use that space for a holding tank. I was going to go for a bigger water tank to fill the starboard space, but now I'm thinking this would be a great place for the new holding tank. Still close to the head. What do you think????? Ron/KA5HZV
Didn't cut everything
Ed, I only cut the top of the setee. I have a Hunter30, but I assume the principle of me question to re-glass or not would apply here. Loking down on top of the setee, there are two access panels ( made of wood )that are about 1 ft by 2 ft (?), with an 8 inch by 1 ft "bridge" in-between. I just cut out the bridge. Haven't really figured out what tank to replace it with. The size of the opening only allows for max the same tank to go back in, but leaves tons of extra space. I may end up using a 50gallon bladder, although I would never be abble to completely fill it ( it is wider than the space, but longer than the 40 gal ). I know, I should have just cut up the tank, but I started that and wasn't getting anywhere ( no sawsall ). After an hour of messing with that, it took 15 min to get the whole thing done by cutting the "bridge". john
Ed, I only cut the top of the setee. I have a Hunter30, but I assume the principle of me question to re-glass or not would apply here. Loking down on top of the setee, there are two access panels ( made of wood )that are about 1 ft by 2 ft (?), with an 8 inch by 1 ft "bridge" in-between. I just cut out the bridge. Haven't really figured out what tank to replace it with. The size of the opening only allows for max the same tank to go back in, but leaves tons of extra space. I may end up using a 50gallon bladder, although I would never be abble to completely fill it ( it is wider than the space, but longer than the 40 gal ). I know, I should have just cut up the tank, but I started that and wasn't getting anywhere ( no sawsall ). After an hour of messing with that, it took 15 min to get the whole thing done by cutting the "bridge". john
Ron, I've always said. . .
the starboard settee is the best place for a holding tank on an H37C. Moving a new water tank toward the galley sink loses that locker space under the aft settee naturally. But unless you put the holding tank back under the shower seat you have to give up space somewhere. You could also opt for a smaller starboard water tank. That is what I should have done. What are my chances of actually going cruising where I need 90 or more gallons of water? The only downside is access to your current overboard thru-hull(long hose or new thru-hull?). And you will need a longer vent hose(behind the shower?) But the head to vented-loop and then to tank hose will be very short and that's the best.
the starboard settee is the best place for a holding tank on an H37C. Moving a new water tank toward the galley sink loses that locker space under the aft settee naturally. But unless you put the holding tank back under the shower seat you have to give up space somewhere. You could also opt for a smaller starboard water tank. That is what I should have done. What are my chances of actually going cruising where I need 90 or more gallons of water? The only downside is access to your current overboard thru-hull(long hose or new thru-hull?). And you will need a longer vent hose(behind the shower?) But the head to vented-loop and then to tank hose will be very short and that's the best.
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