Tide Clock

Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Here is a good explanation that I have found... (but not in a book - sorry @Stu Jackson :beer:)
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Thanks, but reading the comments on that site made me think it was the Flat Earth Society. Frightening...

My Chapmans is in the other house, I'll go get it later. It probably IIRC has it all summarized in a short paragraph.
 

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Jun 29, 2014
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S2 7.3 Fond du Lac
From memory: I think Diurnal tides are one high and one low about 12hrs and 30min apart. Semidiurnal is two tides each high is about 12hrs 30min apart. Low tides are 6hrs and 15min from the high tides.
I will now go check my work and report back…..
 

FDL S2

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Jun 29, 2014
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S2 7.3 Fond du Lac
I was close! After reading David’s link and a quick google:
Diurnal tides are equal high tides 24hrs 50min apart, semidiurnal are equal high tides 12hrs 25min apart.
There also mixed tides with highs that aren’t even so you get massive tide shifts like Inchon and the Bay of Fundy.

Strangely enough the little I knew (before reading the link) about tidal cycles came from reading a fiction book on the Korean War by WEB Griffin. I guess my love of sailing made that stick in my head as information I might need someday even though I sail on a freshwater lake.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Jun 21, 2004
2,769
Beneteau 343 Slidell, LA
Wait!? I want to understand that. I looked it up... and it seems you are correct but.... I don't get it. Don't all y'all cajuns use the same moon as the rest of the world?
NO, we have our own moon!:p
 
Jan 7, 2011
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Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
Who knew :huh:

I learn something new here at SBO every day ;-)

I am once again happy I sail on the Great Lakes…

No salt, no sharks, and No Tides !

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Jan 6, 2006
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Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
Love our tide clock. Hangs in our bedroom on the boat….. Weems and Plath
 
Nov 6, 2006
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Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Sooooo That R. Granger (gron-J in Cajunese) guy must know about the special Cajun moon next to Uranus??
When I first started sailing in 1977, I wanted a tide clock 'cause I thought they were really cool .. then reading the fine print, I noted that they don't work here.. so then I had to find out why.. it took a bit of searching back then because the Google was not here yet.. ;)
 
Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Very nice clocks.

Have any of you with them actually checked them against reality or at least a tide table chart? Since it appears the hi and lo are at 1/4 points and we all know the moon isn't... Just askin'. Is it the third hand that shows it?
Hi Stu,
Yes. They must be reset periodically to match “reality.” I keep an annual tide book of my area aboard to do that. I love my Weems & Plath that came with the boat but honestly I don’t use it that often for “important calls.” (I check the tide book itself.) Lots of others use a digital or on-line “tide clock.” If I can’t find the tide book (we all know how that might happen!), and am anchored with no internet service, I listen to NOAA weather for my zone and that failing (i.e., blocked reception) as a last resort I might “assess” the shoreline or beach! :)
 
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Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
David, thank you. That was well written, succinct and answered the question without getting into the whys & wherefores which were but a click away.
For those not following: the question was "But I didn't know that..." about different tidal types (i.e., that they even existed).
Well, I did not read the article, but the exact times between full heights (max high, max low) do not necessarily match the celestial timeline everywhere on the globe. The earth-moon orbital axis creates tidal bulges on opposite sides of the globe. The bulges track the moon in its orbit around the earth. If high tide in Long Beach occurs at noon today, that same high tide should occur at or near 12:50 pm the next day. That’s b/c by the time Long Beach aligns with that bulge on the second day it has “moved” corresponding to the moon’s progress in its orbit around the earth. (In the meantime, Long Beach would have passed under the opposite bulge about 12 h 25 min later, etc.) Consequently, the earth has to rotate for 50 min longer to catch up to the same tidal bulge on a following day. That’s the celestial timeline in its purest sense; so everywhere in the world should experience semi-diurnal tides. But as noted above, not so. Landmasses have an effect. Unless there is a microchip in your tide clock that can be programmed to compensate for variances across the globe the clock will likely eventually deviate from the celestial timeline. For example, it may read half-tide when it’s actually two hr past low tide.:doh:
 

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Feb 5, 2004
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Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Well, I did not read the article, but the exact times between full heights (max high, max low) do not necessarily match the celestial timeline everywhere on the globe. The earth-moon orbital axis creates tidal bulges on opposite sides of the globe. The bulges track the moon in its orbit around the earth. If high tide in Long Beach occurs at noon today, that same high tide should occur at or near 12:50 pm the next day. That’s b/c by the time Long Beach aligns with that bulge on the second day it has “moved” corresponding to the moon’s progress in its orbit around the earth. (In the meantime, Long Beach would have passed under the opposite bulge about 12 h 25 min later, etc.) Consequently, the earth has to rotate for 50 min longer to catch up to the same tidal bulge on a following day. That’s the celestial timeline in its purest sense; so everywhere in the world should experience semi-diurnal tides. But as noted above, not so. Landmasses have an effect. Unless there is a microchip in your tide clock that can be programmed to compensate for variances across the globe the clock will likely eventually deviate from the celestial timeline. For example, it may read half-tide when it’s actually two hr past low tide.:doh:
From wikipedia:
"Analog tide clocks are most accurate for use on the Atlantic coasts of America and Europe. This is because along the Atlantic coastline the moon controls the tides predictably, ebbing and flowing on a regular (12- to 13-hour) schedule. However, in other parts of the world such as along the Pacific Coast, tides can be irregular.[1] The Pacific Ocean is so vast that the moon cannot control the entire ocean at once. The result is that parts of the Pacific Coast can have 3 low tides a day. Similarly, there are areas in the world like the Gulf of Mexico or the South China Sea that have only one high tide a day. Mechanical tide clocks used on the Pacific Coast must be adjusted frequently, often as much as weekly, and are not useful in diurnal areas (those with one tide per day).[2]"

Tide Clock
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
From wikipedia:
Mechanical tide clocks used on the Pacific Coast must be adjusted frequently, often as much as weekly, and are not useful in diurnal areas (those with one tide per day).
Well, that’s what I said. But I suspect your Wikipedia explanation is referring to site specificity. If you set your analog tide clock in Boston and then travel to Halifax, it will be off by the time you arrive. Locations at different longitudes may arrive under the tidal bulge at different times. You need a tide book aboard giving time corrections for different locations to adjust your clock as you travel. Don’t leave home w/o one!
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
From wikipedia:
"… ebbing and flowing on a regular (12- to 13-hour) schedule.”
BTW. Just an FYI. Relative to the coastline, tides ebb and flood. Tidal “flow” occurs when ebbing and flooding.

“Ebb and flood...” describes oceanography. “Ebb and flow…” describes poetry (metaphor).
 
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