Threats of Water Ingress from the “Deck?”

Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
So, I’ve heard reports of boats having serious amounts of water entering from deck leaks or other access above. This might be due to green water perpetually flooding the decks, or even from repeated bouts of very heavy rain, or the combination. I recall a friend telling me of a trip from Panama to New Orleans where “...we had three bilge pumps running much of the trip...” to rid the boat of water entering from ABOVE the waterline. I just wonder how carefully we sailors access our vulnerability to deck flooding during potentially very wet passages. This might also impinge the never-ending discussion of what makes a “blue-water” boat. One that is properly and securely sealed against water ingress from above, and stays that way, etc.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
13,106
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Well, if a boat had 3 bilge pumps working to keep the water out, then the boat wasn't ready for blue water!

From my experience the number 1 cause of unwanted water from above the water line is leaky hatches. Hatch leaks come from 3 sources, the frame/deck connection, the gasket between the hatch and the frame, and the glazing around the lens. I've dealt with all three. Last summer we took a wave over the bow and I watched as water poured through the 2 main hatches. The culprit was the gasket. Both hatches were dogged down, but water poured through the poor seal. New (expensive) gaskets and lenses are on their way.

Port light leaks are a close second to hatch leaks.

Stanchion bases, cleats and other deck fittings can leak from old sealant or poor installations.

Chain plates leak as they are under a good deal of stress and the sealant can fail.

Keel stepped masts always leak from leaky mast boots and from the many openings in the mast.

Anchor lockers and hawse pipes that drain intentionally or not into the bilge.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Well, if a boat had 3 bilge pumps working to keep the water out, then the boat wasn't ready for blue water!
Yes, but when would one know this? Only after arriving to the GOM? The boat actually started from So Cal.
 
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Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
There are owners who make sure that ALL of their deck hardware is re-bedded regularly. At least every 15 or 20 years. The other 95% of the owners depend on Luck and a benevolent God to keep the ancient sealant in working order. Then, they wonder how and why their boat flunks a survey when they try to sell it -- spongy decks.
So do get a boat that was well built when new, because reinforcing the hull to keel or hull to deck joints later is Very very expensive. :(

As for pesky deck hardware seeps and leaks, fix 'em immediately they show up, before the coring is compromised. Or find a (rare as a hen's tooth) fully maintained boat and pay more for it. This is actually much much cheaper in the long haul.

And if deck leaks alone kept multiple bilge pumps working..... (wonderful phrase from Monty Python: "Run away run away!" )
:)
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Anchor lockers and hawse pipes that drain intentionally or not into the bilge.
So, if a lot of water was draining into the bilge from somewhere above the water line, such that the bilge became flooded to the point of floating floorboards, and you're in the conditions, then what? Would it, water ingress, even be stoppable, or would you be "sunk?"
 
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Jan 11, 2014
13,106
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
So, if a lot of water was draining into the bilge from somewhere above the water line, such that the bilge became flooded to the point of floating floorboards, and you're in the conditions, then what? Would it, water ingress, even be stoppable, or would you be "sunk?"
Depends on where the water is coming from. Certainly change course or slow down to find and repair the leaks. Or head for shore. Do you have a life raft? How much insurance on the boat?
 

TomY

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Jun 22, 2004
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Alden 38' Challenger yawl Rockport Harbor
So, I’ve heard reports of boats having serious amounts of water entering from deck leaks or other access above. This might be due to green water perpetually flooding the decks, or even from repeated bouts of very heavy rain, or the combination. I recall a friend telling me of a trip from Panama to New Orleans where “...we had three bilge pumps running much of the trip...” to rid the boat of water entering from ABOVE the waterline. I just wonder how carefully we sailors access our vulnerability to deck flooding during potentially very wet passages. This might also impinge the never-ending discussion of what makes a “blue-water” boat. One that is properly and securely sealed against water ingress from above, and stays that way, etc.
A boat taking that much water from above, I'd look at side/aft decks and seat decks in the cockpit. Many cockpits have drainage designed with a level boat in mind. Put the boat at a good heel with waves and spray (may not take much with some boats) going on deck and into the cockpit; does the top/seat deck in the cockpit safely drain away at a 20 degree heel?

The cockpit seats and coaming can form a dam that doesn't drain. You might not notice because the overflow is going into the rim drains beneath the lockers. Instead of the water draining the heel angle has it draining into the lockers. Even a very deep locker drain becomes overwhelmed by the angle of heeling.

Side decks too can collect water on a heel. Is there a place that is allowing a significant flow below that drains fine on a level boat?
 
Jan 11, 2014
13,106
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Deck scuppers that drain through a hose are also suspect. The hose can be loose or the fitting cracked. Same with cockpit drains. A loose fitting or poor sealant and some water goes down the hose on the outside.
 
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capta

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Jun 4, 2009
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Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
I often carried some visqueen when I did deliveries so I could line the area around my bunk and keep at least that one area dry from deck leaks, which were pretty common on wooden boats or any boat with teak decks. Older fiberglass boats often leak around deck fittings like cleats, chain plates and lifeline stanchions, especially if some previous owner used 5200 or silicon as the bedding compound.
Quite often water flows into a boat from an unsealed spurling pipe for the chain and down into the bilge. But none of these leaks are irreparable. They may take money and/or work and time to repair, and none has yet caused me to refuse a delivery or make a boat unsuitable for offshore sailing, just uncomfortable and bothersome.
Deck leaks and leaks around ports or hatches can do an incredible amount of damage very quickly if the water coming in is fresh. It will cause dry rot to any interior wood it comes in contact with. This could definitely compromise a vessel's seaworthiness if structural members are involved.
These leaks are almost impossible to hide, as the water leaves a telltale path on interior wood.
I've not had the experience the OP's friend had with water coming into the boat through the decks in enough quantity to need an inordinate amount of pumping, but several times I have had water flowing into wooden boats that have sat unused for long periods, through open seams in the planking above the waterline, which did require 24 hour pumping, but they usually swelled up in 12 hours to a couple of days. On one 73 foot shrimper, on a voyage from Marco Island to the Dry Tortugas on a very blustery night, we had water several feet over the engine room floorboards (maybe 7 feet of water total). Fortunately, the seams began to swell just about the same time I thought we were going to lose her. Sometimes you just get lucky.
 
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JamesG161

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Feb 14, 2014
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Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
I have finally stopped all leaks at berth. It took about a year of tracing and fixing.
But...
I suspect when we get into 8'+ seas, I will be getting some new spots to fix.

I know the breaking waves on the bow leaks will be only minor, if any.

I check the porthole seals every spring.

I enjoy the challenge of the seas, not so much the challenge of leaks.
Jim...
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
I grew up on a plywood constructed wooden boat, but she didn't leak. We did take on water during a storm once. The Old Man left the main hatch open while going below to check our chart position. I was at the helm, center cockpit. A little rain didn't seem to bother the Old Man. Guess he wasn't expecting to take very long. A single larger wave broached us and buried the entire 56 feet below the wave. Only my head and shoulders above the water as I stood on the deck gripping the helm. Our main hatch was about a 3x3 foot square gaping wide open to the sea. It soaked the companionway, the galley and the chart table. However, it would have taken quite a few of those kinds of hits to be a serious threat to our seaworthiness. For the most part, even the spray didn't represent a significant amount of water over the hatches. That's why I marvel at the kind of leaking that seems so threatening when they haven't been identified and repaired as a matter of course. That seems pretty serious. How does one not notice that, when they come aboard, after a few weeks of rain and weather at the dock?
My gut said the hull/deck seam while sailing rail under.

-Will (Dragonfly)
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
A boat taking that much water from above, I'd look at side/aft decks and seat decks in the cockpit. Many cockpits have drainage designed with a level boat in mind. Put the boat at a good heel with waves and spray (may not take much with some boats) going on deck and into the cockpit; does the top/seat deck in the cockpit safely drain away at a 20 degree heel?

The cockpit seats and coaming can form a dam that doesn't drain. You might not notice because the overflow is going into the rim drains beneath the lockers. Instead of the water draining the heel angle has it draining into the lockers. Even a very deep locker drain becomes overwhelmed by the angle of heeling.

Side decks too can collect water on a heel. Is there a place that is allowing a significant flow below that drains fine on a level boat?
Thanks for this insight, TomY. I can see where this could apply in my cockpit. Any water draining down into my deep locker will find its way further below deck and into my bilge. If serious amounts of water started coming into the boat from above the water line, my guess is that valuable time could be lost looking below for the source of it. A heeled boat in boarding seas having a flat bilge like mine could take a lot, a scary amount, of water b/f a pump or the bilge alarm went off.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Depends on where the water is coming from. Certainly change course or slow down to find and repair the leaks. Or head for shore. Do you have a life raft? How much insurance on the boat?
The answer is yes, and enough for total loss. But, my interest is in how something like this might happen.
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
The answer is yes, and enough for total loss. But, my interest is in how something like this might happen.
I was a little tongue in cheek there KG. ;)

In this so far short thread there are a number potential sources, many of which can be easily cured or inspected before heading off shore.

For things like cockpit hatches, making sure foam gaskets are in good shape and form a good seal and having a way to secure the hatches in the closed position.

For other things, the leak may come as a surprise, like a leaking stanchion or deck fitting. Or it may fail while underway.

If you subscribe to Affordable Adventure Cruising there is a recent series on suitable offshore boats that can be had for under $100K. One article addresses deck leaks and fittings.
 
Mar 29, 2017
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Hunter 30t 9805 littlecreek
There is nothing more destructive for a modern boat than topside leeks . With most boats having cored decks a few small leeks when it rains can destroy a boat more than a leaky thru hull that the bilge pump can keep up below water line is solid and less rotting
 
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