transport by truck? This is an important number for the truck guys, and my original estimate of 13' has netted me an estimate of ~1600 for SD-SF (600 miles). So, I think it's closer to 10 feet, but does anybody really KNOW? Steve, Roger, Mike, Jean? Any ideas? Anyone think Hunter might know (for a 12 years old boat?) THANKS!
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Tom: At $1600 are you sure you don't want to have someone sail it up the coast. You also have a service charge on each end too. This is probably going to cost in the neighborhood of $2500 by the time you get done. I'd call Hunter and see if they have the specs.
Tom: At $1600 are you sure you don't want to have someone sail it up the coast. You also have a service charge on each end too. This is probably going to cost in the neighborhood of $2500 by the time you get done. I'd call Hunter and see if they have the specs.
Transport Height
Hi Tom, I figure the transport height on a lowboy trailer at 12-12.5'. This is assuming a height of about 7.5' from the cabin sole to the top of the traveler (6'4" head height inside). The sole is 6" to a foot below the water line. She draws a little under 4.5', so add 4' and 7.5' and you get 11.5'. Add a foot or so for the trailer and you could be over 12.5'. I could make some measurements this weekend. It would still end up a guesstimate though. I've had it moved three times and never had it hit a bridge, so its doable. Last time it was moved, they removed the rudder in order to get another boat on the trailer, and the boys putting it back together didn't get up on top to check things out before trying to reinstall it. The rudder post must have hit the covering over the steering quadrant and tore it off. The yard fixed it like new, but another good reason to always be there during haulout and launch.
Hi Tom, I figure the transport height on a lowboy trailer at 12-12.5'. This is assuming a height of about 7.5' from the cabin sole to the top of the traveler (6'4" head height inside). The sole is 6" to a foot below the water line. She draws a little under 4.5', so add 4' and 7.5' and you get 11.5'. Add a foot or so for the trailer and you could be over 12.5'. I could make some measurements this weekend. It would still end up a guesstimate though. I've had it moved three times and never had it hit a bridge, so its doable. Last time it was moved, they removed the rudder in order to get another boat on the trailer, and the boys putting it back together didn't get up on top to check things out before trying to reinstall it. The rudder post must have hit the covering over the steering quadrant and tore it off. The yard fixed it like new, but another good reason to always be there during haulout and launch.
Transport by water?
You guys know your coast a lot better than I, but I've always heard the California coast can be very unforgiving. Six hundred miles is a long way offshore, and will expose the boat to offshore conditions for quite a few days. Storms and heavy sea's could cause damage that you would be responsible for, not the delivery captain. Torn sails are expensive, unless you're going to replace them anyway. Also, what about offshore safety gear? The boat probably doesn't come with any, and it would be expensive. Does the delivery captain bring his own? These are just questions. I've never had this done, so I don't know. Just things I would worry about.
You guys know your coast a lot better than I, but I've always heard the California coast can be very unforgiving. Six hundred miles is a long way offshore, and will expose the boat to offshore conditions for quite a few days. Storms and heavy sea's could cause damage that you would be responsible for, not the delivery captain. Torn sails are expensive, unless you're going to replace them anyway. Also, what about offshore safety gear? The boat probably doesn't come with any, and it would be expensive. Does the delivery captain bring his own? These are just questions. I've never had this done, so I don't know. Just things I would worry about.
450 by track, V32 must be OK
I'm curious as to why the height would effect the price. they're going to drag it up I-5 no matter what, right?
I'm curious as to why the height would effect the price. they're going to drag it up I-5 no matter what, right?
Don't forget...
The yard charges at each end. Depending on how much you do yourself they could easily be $800-$1000+ on each end. If you can do the easy stuff that will save on the labor rate to prep everything. I think the height requirement affects whether the load is "legal" and thus the need for a flag car ahead/after it. I agree with Steve, have you considered getting a skipper to drive it up the coast? San Diego to San Francisco is pretty do-able especially this time of year and might be cheaper and less hassle...
The yard charges at each end. Depending on how much you do yourself they could easily be $800-$1000+ on each end. If you can do the easy stuff that will save on the labor rate to prep everything. I think the height requirement affects whether the load is "legal" and thus the need for a flag car ahead/after it. I agree with Steve, have you considered getting a skipper to drive it up the coast? San Diego to San Francisco is pretty do-able especially this time of year and might be cheaper and less hassle...
Not a bad trip.
Mike the trip from San Deigo to San Francisco is not the bad part. It is from S.F. north (and you never know). I would assume that this boat is going to make about 150 miles per day. That would make it a 4 day trip. The big deal here is the fact that you have hauling, decommissioning, loading and then you have to do this again at the other end.
Mike the trip from San Deigo to San Francisco is not the bad part. It is from S.F. north (and you never know). I would assume that this boat is going to make about 150 miles per day. That would make it a 4 day trip. The big deal here is the fact that you have hauling, decommissioning, loading and then you have to do this again at the other end.
Lots of good points, and I've been thinking..
of most of them. The heighth is important because it determines if the truck has to have an escort and/or if it has to travel at night only. Both translate to cost. I5 is the way to go, but you have to get there first, and it's pretty urban & suburban in the San Diego area. It's also a ways from the Bay up this way and will mean a trip up 101 from Gilroy or over Altamont pass & 580 to get here. Sailing is VERY attractive (motoring, really) and I even went & bought THE California cruising guide by Brian Fagan of UCSB. 150 miles a day is 24 hrs @ 6.25 knots, which at this time of year is still a maybe. May and June are not the best months to go up the coast. As I wrote recently, it's up current AND up wind, so it's a LONG motor. It'll take 4-5 days easy, maybe more and there is the "Stuff" that would need to be obtained for offshore use. All the pros I've spoken with have pointed to going by truck as the "best" way to go. The fact that the Vision is an unstayed mast make the job at each end easier, but it still will take time & money. If I had more free time (I still work for a living, mostly), I'd sail her, but I spent one week of vacation looking for her and have the other two weeks planned for July already.... So we are still focusing on going by truck, but I appreciate everyone's comments. Any other ideas or thoughts, let me know!
of most of them. The heighth is important because it determines if the truck has to have an escort and/or if it has to travel at night only. Both translate to cost. I5 is the way to go, but you have to get there first, and it's pretty urban & suburban in the San Diego area. It's also a ways from the Bay up this way and will mean a trip up 101 from Gilroy or over Altamont pass & 580 to get here. Sailing is VERY attractive (motoring, really) and I even went & bought THE California cruising guide by Brian Fagan of UCSB. 150 miles a day is 24 hrs @ 6.25 knots, which at this time of year is still a maybe. May and June are not the best months to go up the coast. As I wrote recently, it's up current AND up wind, so it's a LONG motor. It'll take 4-5 days easy, maybe more and there is the "Stuff" that would need to be obtained for offshore use. All the pros I've spoken with have pointed to going by truck as the "best" way to go. The fact that the Vision is an unstayed mast make the job at each end easier, but it still will take time & money. If I had more free time (I still work for a living, mostly), I'd sail her, but I spent one week of vacation looking for her and have the other two weeks planned for July already.... So we are still focusing on going by truck, but I appreciate everyone's comments. Any other ideas or thoughts, let me know!
I'll find out this week end
Concerning the height of a demasted 32, I will be working on the boat this week end and I will measure it exactly as my Vision is on a cradle right now; I will revert monday. I find the discussion of trailering vs sailing it up very interesting and we have spend quite a bit of time discussing the pro and consat the marina (it is raining a lot, so we just congregate on the boat and discuss world affairs) ! The consensus is that is is cheaper to sail it up, it is always possible to find a crew willing to take it up just for expenses, I would make sure I would pay for a captain: most of the ones that are free, end up very ex-ensive)However the cost of a new sail, or other similar things will bring the cost way above the transportation cost. My final preference would be to send it by truck although I certainly did not buy a boat to have it moved by truck ! It is the reasonable, less enjoyable thing to do. I bought my Vision in Newport R.I. and sailed it to Montreal: 10 days. No problem whatsoever. A good friend of mine bought a 30' less than one mile from me, we sailed back together: he had all kinds of problems and ended up placing it on a float and had it trucked to Montreal. My last question: can you tuck a 50 foot mast under the boat: I do not know what is the final lenght of the mast. By the way I just scanned the original brochure of the Vision 32 and is available on PDF: I could send it to you, and anyone it you send me your e-mail.(I am not sure how to include it as an attachement as Phil does not like these add-ons ) Hope this helps, thanks for the interesting point of discussion. Sincerely, Jean Hrab senta@videotron.ca
Concerning the height of a demasted 32, I will be working on the boat this week end and I will measure it exactly as my Vision is on a cradle right now; I will revert monday. I find the discussion of trailering vs sailing it up very interesting and we have spend quite a bit of time discussing the pro and consat the marina (it is raining a lot, so we just congregate on the boat and discuss world affairs) ! The consensus is that is is cheaper to sail it up, it is always possible to find a crew willing to take it up just for expenses, I would make sure I would pay for a captain: most of the ones that are free, end up very ex-ensive)However the cost of a new sail, or other similar things will bring the cost way above the transportation cost. My final preference would be to send it by truck although I certainly did not buy a boat to have it moved by truck ! It is the reasonable, less enjoyable thing to do. I bought my Vision in Newport R.I. and sailed it to Montreal: 10 days. No problem whatsoever. A good friend of mine bought a 30' less than one mile from me, we sailed back together: he had all kinds of problems and ended up placing it on a float and had it trucked to Montreal. My last question: can you tuck a 50 foot mast under the boat: I do not know what is the final lenght of the mast. By the way I just scanned the original brochure of the Vision 32 and is available on PDF: I could send it to you, and anyone it you send me your e-mail.(I am not sure how to include it as an attachement as Phil does not like these add-ons ) Hope this helps, thanks for the interesting point of discussion. Sincerely, Jean Hrab senta@videotron.ca
I have moved my boat by truck several times
I have moved my boat by truck several times. Currently I am in Atlanta and I like the Bahamas (what can I say). It is a 34' hunter with a shoal draft keel. The dam on the lake is 200' tall so there is not much of a choice than to move it by truck A couple of things to remember: - You definitely want a truck with a mast carrier on the side. If you have to store the mast on deck it adds to the overall height of the boat and has a tendency to beat up the boat unless it is stored perfectly. - Moving a boat by truck definitely beats it up! It is a very light load for a semi trailer so the trailer tends to bounce a lot. All of your toilet paper and paper towels will all be bounced off of the rolls. Take off any type of turnbuckles or any other part that might be bounced off. - The shipping company requires you to empty the tanks on the boat. I left the diesel fuel in the tank but I emptied all of the others. - You can't ship any propane tanks (even empty) or any open cleaning supplies. If you don't anticipate this the people in the yard will love all of their free stuff. - I have heard a lot of horror stories about boats being mishandled by the trucking company or the yard. I have always been there when the truck arrives on both ends (plan on a full day since the trucks are notoriously late. - Tie off all of the loose ends of the halyards very well and tape them with Duct tape (don't leave it on too long or it will be a mess). There is nothing worse than having a boat arrive without a halyard. - I usually store the boom inside the boat. Pack it very carefully with the boat cushions so it does not beat up the boat. Believe it or not the vibration and the movement seems to do more damage than an off shore sail. - You might want to have the bottom pressure washed / scraped before you ship the boat. It may be pretty ripe by the time you get it to the distant location. - A lot of time the truck does not go from point A to point B so don't plan on following it. My boat actually went to the Hunter factory and sat on the trailer for a day while the truck delivered a new boat to the coast. The boat is in pretty good shape so the guys at the factory loved seeing a 1983 boat that had held up so well. - Mark all of your stays (I know you said your boat did not have any but I wanted to include this for others) with either finger nail polish or black electrical tape where the threads go into the turnbuckle. This will keep you from having to go through a complete retune (if you have a B&R rig) or at least help get the rig back to where it was before (normal rig). - Take off your wind vane, instruments, antennas on top of the mast or you will donate them to the California Highway Department. Like I said before it is amazing how much the trailer / boat bounces! - Take a couple of spare bulbs and some sandpaper with you. Take the time to clean all of the light sockets on the mast and replace the bulbs. Also don't forget to put the wind vane, instruments, and antennas back on the top of the mast before it goes up. - When you put the mast back on make sure you have the end of the halyard attached to the base of the mast. - I actually leave the jib on the roller furling, wrap my jib sheets around it and the mast, tie them off carefully and then use duct tape to secure the whole thing. - I usually go by an upholstery shop and get a fair amount of their foam scraps and use them to protect different things. The trailers are usually not in the best of shape and need a little extra help. This is especially true of the mast carrier. - When the truck arrives, his goal is going to be to get rid of the boat, get paid, and get gone. You might want to let the yard know he is coming and see if they can be a little flexible with the time. If not you will have a mad truck driver (usually they are not small guys). In general, I would say that my boat get's beat up about as much on a truck as it does on the ocean (ok - before I get all types of horror stories about sailing on the ocean, I have also heard of yards dropping the boat, or making a new hole when stepping the mast, etc). You will also have to take off two days of work to get the boat loaded and unloaded (sometimes you can arrange it for a Saturday delivery ($$$$$) and have the yard available. If it were me I would go rent the life raft and other offshore equipment (hey you have to have friends that have this stuff), take off early Friday (come on no one will miss seeing your 'new boat owner' grin around the office for the last half of Friday), sail the boat up the coast and only burn two vacation days (maybe if you invite the boss it can be a 'working trip'). You will need three people at least for this trip (I know it can be done with two - he is using his vacation days so he should enjoy it). If you don't feel up to being a captain on the off shore stuff then hire one. If you are going with him as crew it should be pretty reasonable. Check the weather before you leave and make sure it is all clear. If you have any doubt wait until the weather clears (were sailors we are know for our patience - ha) In my mind this is what you bought your boat to do. Also, think of your co-workers face when you tell them of the off shore jaunt you had over the weekend. If you decided to do the off shore stuff take lots of books and good food. It can be a lot of fun. Keep sailing, Peter
I have moved my boat by truck several times. Currently I am in Atlanta and I like the Bahamas (what can I say). It is a 34' hunter with a shoal draft keel. The dam on the lake is 200' tall so there is not much of a choice than to move it by truck A couple of things to remember: - You definitely want a truck with a mast carrier on the side. If you have to store the mast on deck it adds to the overall height of the boat and has a tendency to beat up the boat unless it is stored perfectly. - Moving a boat by truck definitely beats it up! It is a very light load for a semi trailer so the trailer tends to bounce a lot. All of your toilet paper and paper towels will all be bounced off of the rolls. Take off any type of turnbuckles or any other part that might be bounced off. - The shipping company requires you to empty the tanks on the boat. I left the diesel fuel in the tank but I emptied all of the others. - You can't ship any propane tanks (even empty) or any open cleaning supplies. If you don't anticipate this the people in the yard will love all of their free stuff. - I have heard a lot of horror stories about boats being mishandled by the trucking company or the yard. I have always been there when the truck arrives on both ends (plan on a full day since the trucks are notoriously late. - Tie off all of the loose ends of the halyards very well and tape them with Duct tape (don't leave it on too long or it will be a mess). There is nothing worse than having a boat arrive without a halyard. - I usually store the boom inside the boat. Pack it very carefully with the boat cushions so it does not beat up the boat. Believe it or not the vibration and the movement seems to do more damage than an off shore sail. - You might want to have the bottom pressure washed / scraped before you ship the boat. It may be pretty ripe by the time you get it to the distant location. - A lot of time the truck does not go from point A to point B so don't plan on following it. My boat actually went to the Hunter factory and sat on the trailer for a day while the truck delivered a new boat to the coast. The boat is in pretty good shape so the guys at the factory loved seeing a 1983 boat that had held up so well. - Mark all of your stays (I know you said your boat did not have any but I wanted to include this for others) with either finger nail polish or black electrical tape where the threads go into the turnbuckle. This will keep you from having to go through a complete retune (if you have a B&R rig) or at least help get the rig back to where it was before (normal rig). - Take off your wind vane, instruments, antennas on top of the mast or you will donate them to the California Highway Department. Like I said before it is amazing how much the trailer / boat bounces! - Take a couple of spare bulbs and some sandpaper with you. Take the time to clean all of the light sockets on the mast and replace the bulbs. Also don't forget to put the wind vane, instruments, and antennas back on the top of the mast before it goes up. - When you put the mast back on make sure you have the end of the halyard attached to the base of the mast. - I actually leave the jib on the roller furling, wrap my jib sheets around it and the mast, tie them off carefully and then use duct tape to secure the whole thing. - I usually go by an upholstery shop and get a fair amount of their foam scraps and use them to protect different things. The trailers are usually not in the best of shape and need a little extra help. This is especially true of the mast carrier. - When the truck arrives, his goal is going to be to get rid of the boat, get paid, and get gone. You might want to let the yard know he is coming and see if they can be a little flexible with the time. If not you will have a mad truck driver (usually they are not small guys). In general, I would say that my boat get's beat up about as much on a truck as it does on the ocean (ok - before I get all types of horror stories about sailing on the ocean, I have also heard of yards dropping the boat, or making a new hole when stepping the mast, etc). You will also have to take off two days of work to get the boat loaded and unloaded (sometimes you can arrange it for a Saturday delivery ($$$$$) and have the yard available. If it were me I would go rent the life raft and other offshore equipment (hey you have to have friends that have this stuff), take off early Friday (come on no one will miss seeing your 'new boat owner' grin around the office for the last half of Friday), sail the boat up the coast and only burn two vacation days (maybe if you invite the boss it can be a 'working trip'). You will need three people at least for this trip (I know it can be done with two - he is using his vacation days so he should enjoy it). If you don't feel up to being a captain on the off shore stuff then hire one. If you are going with him as crew it should be pretty reasonable. Check the weather before you leave and make sure it is all clear. If you have any doubt wait until the weather clears (were sailors we are know for our patience - ha) In my mind this is what you bought your boat to do. Also, think of your co-workers face when you tell them of the off shore jaunt you had over the weekend. If you decided to do the off shore stuff take lots of books and good food. It can be a lot of fun. Keep sailing, Peter
Great points to consider!
Once again, my thanks to everyone for their comments. We are continuing to look at the truck option, and this week need to reach a decision. I'll keep everyone informed.
Once again, my thanks to everyone for their comments. We are continuing to look at the truck option, and this week need to reach a decision. I'll keep everyone informed.
I finally called Hunter and a nice man there told
me it's 10 feet. So, I called or Emailed all the bot mover guys and now we'll see what they come up with. We are flying down this week-end to take delivery at Noon on Monday, and we're hopng to get the boat on a trailer next Wednesday. We hope! Fair winds!
me it's 10 feet. So, I called or Emailed all the bot mover guys and now we'll see what they come up with. We are flying down this week-end to take delivery at Noon on Monday, and we're hopng to get the boat on a trailer next Wednesday. We hope! Fair winds!
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