Thinking too much about keel forces

LloydB

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Jan 15, 2006
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Macgregor 22 Silverton
Lift for a symmetrical hydrofoil is forward towards the angle of attack and dependent on speed thru the WATER and independent of the wind direction. Angle of attack is determined by hull shape and the rudder, any keel force against the wind is drag. The angle of attack for the hull is combine with the keel angle of attack to give forward motion to the boat by the sail.
 
Jul 6, 2013
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Catalina 30TR, Atomic 4 2480 Milwaukee
I think the vector diagram is the correct way to depict the relevant forces. The sum of those vectors is a vector with magnitude and direction, in the case of a sailboat under sail, the direction is forward. There's no implication of pushing or pulling (that's covered in the earlier fluid-dynamics posts).
 
Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
The only thing I didn't like about that drawing is the vectors imply pulling, as opposed to pushing, which is what is really happening.
Well technically the vectors don't imply that at all. They only show direction and strength.

There really is no pushing or pulling. Both of these would imply something to push or pull against (like solid ground).

Think about this way. Does an airplane wing 'push' or 'pull' a plane up?? Do you think of it pushing its way up?? No. Lift works against the pressure diff of the surrounding media alone.

EDIT - What KingJim said.
 

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
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Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
Well technically the vectors don't imply that at all. They only show direction and strength.

There really is no pushing or pulling. Both of these would imply something to push or pull against (like solid ground).

Think about this way. Does an airplane wing 'push' or 'pull' a plane up?? Do you think of it pushing its way up?? No. Lift works against the pressure diff of the surrounding media alone.

EDIT - What KingJim said.
Exactly. No differentiation in physics between a push or a pull. It's just the same vector with either a 180 degree difference or positive/negative sign swap in magnitude.