The Year of the Cat?

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Mar 4, 2004
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Hunter 37.5 Orcas Island, WA
Sometimes the trade press reflects and is a predictor of changes to come. The January, 2007 issue of Sail magazine is a special issue on cruising catamarans. Cruising World ran a similar issue a few months back. There seem to be more ads for catamarans now and more reviews of cats in the sailing magazines. Catamarans are still an oddity up here in the Pacific NW. But I was amazed at how many cats there were in the BVI's last winter on a charter down there--maybe 40% of the sailboats were cats. I've never sailed on a big cat, but they're reputedly fast on a reach and sail flat with a spacious above decks saloon with great views. They are also supposed to not point very well, take up all sorts of room in a marina and are damned expensive to purchase. Personally I would miss the heeling and am too much of a traditionalist to leave a monohull. But what do you think of cats? Have you sailed on one? Is there one in your future? Gary Wyngarden S/V Wanderlust h37.5
 
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tom

Think Inverted

Have you ever tried to get a Hobie cat back up after it turned turtle??? Even under good conditions it is hard. The thought of a big cat burying a hull and flipping is scarey to me. Also tied up to the dock they take up a lot of room. But if I had the money I'd like a cat for the speed. But otherwise a monohull is my favorite. Especially for cruising they say the advantages of a cat disappear as you add weight.
 
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Scott

My guess ....

If the trend has been moving towards building cruising sailboats with more spacious accomodations, catamarans will be getting more popular. The conversations I have had with a few capatains who love traditional monohulls but wish to spend more time on a sailboat in general is that with the flat sailing characteristics and spacious views from the deck salon, it is far more appealing to the majority of people who are non-traditionalists and just want some fun in the sun on a boat. So the traditionalists will compromise so that they can spend more time in the Caribbean with friends. It's not surprising that there is an increasing number of cats in the islands.
 
Oct 25, 2006
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Robinson and Caine Leopard 43 Somewhere hot and sunny
I have sailed on many, and it is my future.

For the reasons you suggested, as well as many others. I am not a big fan of sailing in bad weather, but the bottom line is a properly prepared cat is as good or better than a properly prepared mono hull in bad weather. And I would rather take that chance in a multihull. They certainly have to be treated differently, but I would rather be on something that will still float if capsized, than on something with lead sinker material hanging off the keel. And they are faster on a reach, and slower upwind. He had a PDQ32 doing almost 14kts. once in BVI during TS Marty. It sure was a blast, but not something I would attempt in the middle of the ocean.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
There is a thread on the wooden boat forum

concerning a 50 foot cat that wash washed up on the Oregon coast. It is very much worth a reading. http://www.woodenboatvb.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=59241
 
Oct 25, 2006
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Robinson and Caine Leopard 43 Somewhere hot and sunny
Ross, That was a Voyage 440 heading to the

Seattle Boat Show. Seems to me potentially a prime example of heading out to see in bad weather and ill prepared. Did they know about the weather when they were in SanFran? Did they have a liferaft? Lifelines? Were they clipped in? Did they have a chute or drogue to keep the boat from surfing and pitchpoling? Don't know if we will ever know that answer.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Joe, It was bad news no matter what,

That is a terrible stretch of coastline. I have read that Larry Pardey will sail out to sea for a hundred miles in order to get into very deep water and will not approach a coast until conditions are not severe. There is no boat made that can survive a knock-down in the surf.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Multihulls are kinda like Bungee Jumping....

... they aren't for everybody. "Multihulls are stable in both/two directions" The catamaran that washed up on the shore in Oregon, upside down, was sailed from South Africa with a delivery crew of 3 on board. The long which was found on board said that they took down the sails and deployed a couple anchors, possibly as drogues. They passed Cape Blanco at 10 miles offshore. San Francisco News article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/17/BAGFCN17NE1.DTL
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
John, During that storm the entire Oregon coast

was a lee shore! It is hard to under stand why anyone would sail that close to shore in those conditions.
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Few More Examples:

Granted, the Pacific Coast is a lee shore but boaters navigate the coastline all the time but this was a 44-footer with three crew and a hired delivery skipper sailing a new boat. You'd think it would be insured, and you'd think the insurer would have insisted on certain critera - qualifications, route, weather, etc. Even if it wasn't insured you'd think the owner (big investment) or the skipper (it's his life) would have insisted that conditions were appropriate. I'd think that the owner would have been talking to the skipper when they were in the Bay Area about the rounte and weather and discussing all their options. Even so, I have talked people who have made the trip in the fall. Last year Navy sailor who was transfered up here sailed his Hunter Passage 42 up in the late fall. A few years ago I met a couple with two young children who were taking their OLD woody - about a 30footer and NOT what I would call a blue-water boat - down the coast and this was way late in the fall. And they were new to boating! On the other hand, then there is Arthur Piver who is generally considered the father of modern multihulls who was lost at sea somewhere in the South Pacific. see a multihull web site re Piver: http://www.multihull-maven.com/Designers/Arthur_Piver The draw to the advantages of a multihull is great but then one needs to consider the whole picture. At the time of Piver's death there were multihulls being constructed all over Alviso, CA. In 1991 I circumnavigated Vancouver Island and there was a cat or tri at Sea Otter Cove with me when I departed for Winter Harbor - the boat and two or three emaciated guys were found about two weeks later floating adrift upside-down. Then there is the story "Lost" by Thomas Thompson, the story about three people, a couple and the guys brother-in-law, who lost it on their 31-foot trimeran. They were sailing from Tacoma, WA down to Cost Rica but only got as far as Northern California. I read the book as far as page 154 and couldn't finish. It was really, really, sad. Two of the ill-fated vessel died of starvation and the author nearly died too. Okay, so you say, this is the "outside". Well,... Then in the protected waters of Puget Sound, on the Foulweather Bluff Race, there was a large 80+footer that pitchpoled in the race. High winds? Nope. In fact, the pictures didn't even have any whitecaps! This was a raceboat that was going to show the maxis how its done. Okay, so they burried the bow in a freak wave, maybe a wake from a passing boat? "Northwest Yachting" had a wonderfull spread of time-lapse photos of them going over. With the boat standing vertically on it's nose(s) you could see one of the crew standing on an arma. In the article it said he didn't even get wet! That's some consolation, though, because the boat landed upside-down and had to be towed over to the shore. Hey, these guys were top-notch racers - among the best! "Stuff" happens. Safety and Comfort in All Conditions [I love this!]: http://www.multihull-maven.com/Key_issues Sure, blame it on weather, shouldn't have been there, not enough experience, shouldn't have done that, or whatever else you want but cruising in a multi isn't my idea of relaxing. Knowing what CAN happen would not allow me to rest.
 
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dave

sailcats

have sailed on stilletto 30 - fast and fun - will probably outsail any similar size monohull but really this is an apples to oranges comparison - personally I'd be giving up way too much to trade my sloop in on any catamaran - PS: take a catamaran sailor for a ride on your monohull in average conditions and watch him turn green...!
 
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b393capt

why i cat in the bvi

Cat's are both a compromise to getting other people to come sailing with me in the BVI, and actually quite a bit of fun to skipper as well. I would not own one, even if it was given to me for free, as the sheer number of surfaces and complexity would be a maintenance hassel. Faster on a reach, I understand why people say that, but my actual experience is otherwise, possibly because it's too loaded up with stuff or the charter companies use less sail area? They latest Lagoon's point fairly well considering my past experiences with cats, and are just a joy both sailing and living on. Sailing Vacations in Ft. Meyers has a US Sailing catamaran class, I highly recommend, as motoring these are completly unlike a monohull. All us students agreed that we wanted to focus on boat handling, and spend 1 1/2 days just docking plus some anchoring in the class. Before the class I had chartered a catamaran and struggled to dock her even in light winds, even though every other activity came naturally, motoring did not. After taking the class I had no problems docking in the BVI in 15-20 knots and getting compliments from the nearby boaters.
 
Mar 4, 2004
347
Hunter 37.5 Orcas Island, WA
So, John?

Was 1991 the year when you were hunkered down in Winter Harbour in August when there were 100 knot winds recorded at Solander Island? Did you get more details on the guys on the cat or the tri? What happened to them? Gary Wyngarden S/V Wanderlust h37.5
 
Jun 7, 2004
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Schock 35 Seattle
Weather

I just finished a USPS weather course so I have been looking at the surface analysis charts on the Point Reyes Radiofax station NOAA site nearly every night. Two days before the windstorm hit the Pacific Northwest you could clearly see two low pressure areas merging into one another and heading for the PNW. This was a "Perfect Storm" in the making. The charts said "Hurricane Force". For some reason the weather folks only use the term "Hurricane" to describe storms in the Atlantic and just west of Mexico. Our area (Seattle) are just "storms". I went down to the Marina and put extra lines on the boat to make sure it was still there after the storm. Fortunately no problems with our boat although other Marinas lost boats and there weas some damage to boats in our Marina. During the storm we lost power for 5 days. Three adjacent blocks had telephone poles snapped in half and trees were down everywhere. It was a hurricane; we just don't call them that here. My point is that if the cat in question had a radiofax of the weather that was coming to the area they would have stayed put. I certainly feel bad about the loss of life but hope other Mariners will learn from this experience to check out the NE Pacific charts before sailing into this area.
 
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Brian Hanna

To answer Gary's original question...

I have sailed a on my father's 32 foot cat for a couple of years on Lake Erie. The shorter distance between waves on the Great Lakes makes the cat pitch and yawl all the time. Even on moderate weather days, my entire family would have to take precautions against sea sickness, such as staying on deck in the fresh air, sea sickness pills, etc. No one could spend more than a few minutes below deck without feeling a little queasy. On my monohull, my daughters will often spend the entire day below decks. No one has gotten even the slightest bit sick, even in the roughest weather. So. before you make the leap into a cat, I would suggest you take it for a few test sails first, especially on the Great Lakes.
 
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tom

Brian touched on Something

Waves...it doesn't take much imagination to think that you could get into a wave pattern that would make a cat extremely unstable. Especially in confused seas. Throw in some strong winds hitting the large surface area under a cat it would seem easy to go over. Even burying one hull and then having a breaking wave smack the underside would seem capable of causing an inversion. I guess that you can get almost to the same situation with some of the extemely beamy monohulls. They wouldn't stay inverted..forever but maybe long enough to flood and sink. Any boat can roll and the key to survival becomes rolling completely over without sinking. Hopefully without losing a mast!!! But even without a mast a mono that stayed afloat would offer better shelter than an inverted cat. I think of cats like I think of the ubiquitous pontoon boat on area lakes. They are great platforms for fishing and parties. Under normal conditions they are hard to beat. But when the lake gets choppy they'd better be in a cove. I've seen them having trouble in waves that would give your average 12' semi-V no problems. I've never seen anyone foolish enough to take a pontoon boat out in the open sea.
 
May 5, 2006
1,140
Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
The Cat lost in the storm...

was fighting 40+ foot waves with periods of 9 seconds. Not much would survive that. Imagine, up a forty foot face to the crest, start your count, 9 freakin seconds to go down in the trough and up to the next crest on forty plus foot waves. There was a HUGE discussion about this wreck on SA. Those folks had no business in that weather off that coast. The water up here in the PNW will flat kill ya if ya give it half a chance.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
No one would be surprised to learn that a boat had

been lost in a hurricane. So why is anyone surprised to learn that a boat was lost in a storm with hurricane force winds? The northern pacific coast is where the Coast Guard proves its 40 foot surf boats and trains the crews.
 
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wxman rich

wave forecasting

For those of you with interest in physical science, you may be interested in looking at the online version of the World Meteorological Organization's publication entitled "Guide to Wave Analysis and Forecasting". I include a link thereto. Of particular interest to forecasters might be chapter 4, "Wave Forecasting by Manual Methods". Wind speed, wind duration and fetch are the primary parameters. wxman rich
 
Dec 2, 2003
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- - Seabeck WA
Well, several of us live here. The last time I

went out 'there' was mid summer on a perfect day. Never again! Fifty foot seas for six days. But we went out past the shelf and followed 126 degrees south. And the wind was about 30 knots true.
 
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