The things you find !!!

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Hi All, Many know that I have been involved in a partial re-wire these last few days and what I found was shocking and horrifying to say the least! I was planning a full re-wire for this coming winter but some could NOT wait any longer! Now my boat surveyed very well with the exception of a few minor issues mostly wiring which I immediately corrected. However there are certain areas of a boat that are not justifiably accessible during a survey if all else looks good. Well at the end of last season my shower sump stopped working. I checked the fuse & breaker, both of which were in fine condition and operating properly. Being that we were on vacation, and I usually just go for a swim anyway, I gave it about 5 minutes of trouble shooting and decided I'd fix it over the winter. Well somehow winter turned to summer and last weekend I finally dug into the shower sump. Well after about two hours of tearing apart internal cabinetry I finally reached the conduit and the wires I needed to access. Wow, is all I can say! The PO, who is a great guy & friend is clearly NOT very good with electrical, added both a Macerator and a shower sump pump about 10+ years ago. In the compartment with the Macerator the wire was tinned 12Ga leading through a bulkhead and then hidden behind interior cabinetry. There was no reason for the surveyor to pursue the macerator wiring as it looked like properly sized tinned wire. The problem was that behind the cabinets was an 18 gauge lamp cord feeding this 12 ga tinned wire. The terminations for the Macerator were yellow wire nuts! The shower sump had a switch that the PO had soldered the wires directly to. My failure was at the junction of the stranded wire and the solder. Fatigue and work hardening caused the failure of the shower sump. Needless to say fixing a simple shower sump turned into re-wiring many pumps, the speakers, some lights, the nav station and on and on. You never know what is lurking behind your interior cabinetry! All looked good where it could be seen but all was not good! Here's an interesting photo. This was the 14ga tinned ground wire that led to the shower sump which was connected to 18ga lamp cord. The tined wire is in perfect condition and the lamp cord shows signs of over heating and melting of the jacket not to mention severe oxidation. It's rare to see two wires joined at the exact same time one being tinned and the other un-tinned. I think it's an interesting comparison but please NEVER use wire nuts !!!!
 

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Very clearly an overload for 18 Ga. wire.

I presume that you have a 20 amp breaker on that macerator circuit? A fuse is just a short piece of wire that is too small. Designed to melt before something valuable does. Lamp cord doesn't make a good fuse.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Yes & No..

Yes it is NOW on a 20A breaker but it had been on a 15A. It's now using a 12ga wire, for the entire length, as opposed to 18ga wire nutted to 14ga for the last three feet. Believe it or not it actually worked the way it was wired and never tripped the 15A breaker however it was about to start a fire!! I've learned my lesson and will never trust old wiring again even if the visible stuff looks ok, as mine did. I actually spoke with the PO today (one of my best friends fathers, and NO I was not stocking the PO) and he told me he used the tinned wire when he got closer to the pumps in case of a leak. When I asked about the lamp cord he said they were in the Carib when he replaced that pump and that's all he could get. He said he meant to replace it at some point but forgot.. I did not even ask about the wire nuts..;)
 

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
You can find all manner of make shift if you live

long enough. A homeowner told me of the time she had a plumber in to find and correct a leak in her shower. All at once she heard him cussing and asked what was wrong. It seems that some where along the line the riser from the tub faucet to the shower head and been plumbed with a length of garden hose.
 
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