The North Pole is moving to Siberia

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Well If there ever was a time to consider the relations with Mother Russia if not now when...

The Magnetic North Pole is continuing its move (at about 25 miles a year) onward to the Russian Frozen North Country... When it gets there who knows what may happen.
https://asa.com/news/2018/06/20/int...medium=email&utm_campaign=2018_06_Newsletter#

So set your clocks or your compasses or just pull up your bootstraps Comrade. Santa is crossing the border...
 
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So you have or know of a plot of its course? Is it heading straight South or taking a lateral path too? We are looking at the flip of North and South poles? Is there a correlation between its movement and industrialisation?
Wow, very exciting.
This makes paper charts worthless for navigation in a matter of weeks, at a movement of about 1 mile every 15 days. That's around 14' 9" per hour. I've sailed slower than that.

- Will (Dragonfly)
 
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Will Gilmore said:
I've sailed slower than that.
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I have drifted slower than that.
It has been moving since it has been known to exist (something like the 16th century) and monitored since the mid 1800's. Wandering about in Canada. But now it seems that it is leaving Canada, difficult to know why (taxes?). It is adventuring towards the "True" or at least geographical NP and onward towards Siberia.
Conspiracy theories abound.
One I found interesting...All the rockets leaving the planet have caused the earth to change fractional the speed of rotation. This change has influenced the magma pockets beneath the mantel to shift. A specific layer of iron infused magma has started to drift shedding it's influence on the on the core and the magnetic fields resulting in drift. This magma theory is said to be supported by the increased activity in observed surface volcanic activity.

On the other hand it could be sun spots.
 
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jssailem said:
On the other hand it could be sun spots.
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I can't believe Sun spots don't have a significant effect on the orientation and weather on our planet.
jssailem said:
Conspiracy theories abound.
One I found interesting...All the rockets leaving the planet have caused the earth to change fractional the speed of rotation
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In junior high, I had a science teacher who felt all the space junk (wasn't there an Andy Griffith t.v. show by that name? ) being shot into space would disrupt the balance of our orbit and cause the Earth to either fall into or fall away from the Sun. Considering that the Earth, moon and orbiting satellites (space junk) are all part of the single gravitational system with respect to the Sun, our ventures into space would have no effect until we actually left that system entirely. Even in junior high, I was of the feeling that our system would not experience any appreciative change due to the minute differences in mass of space junk compared to mass of the whole.

There was a display in the mall, when I was a kid, of a beach ball being held aloft by a fan. The fan blew at an angle so the ball wasn't directly over the output. Yet, the ball stayed in the air steam. As the ball started to fall out of the air stream, the airflow on the backside increased, pulling the ball back to center by the lifting forces that move our sailboats. Balance was inherent in the system, thus the dynamics survived despite forces attempting to disrupt it. I feel our own planetary system has survived by very similar mechanics. So, I'm not that worried.

- Will (Dragonfly)
 
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jssailem said:
Conspiracy theories abound.
One I found interesting...All the rockets leaving the planet have caused the earth to change fractional the speed of rotation.
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Wait, I thought the earth was flat and didn't rotate at all. :stir:

Will Gilmore said:
This makes paper charts worthless for navigation in a matter of weeks, at a movement of about 1 mile every 15 days. That's around 14' 9" per hour. I've sailed slower than that.
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Well it depends on where you are. Very close to the pole yes the difference will be great, but as you get further away the degrees of difference will be reduced. And if you happen to be in a place along the line that the pole is moving up then there might be very little change to your deviation at all.
 
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So the idea of rockets leaving effecting the planet rotation got me thinking and wondering about perspective and percentage, etc. The space shuttle at launch had a weight of 2 million (2x10^6) kg. The mass of the earth is 5.9x10^24 kg. This is a ratio of 1:2.95x10^18. The circumference of the earth is 40,339 km. Applying the ratio to the circumference give a distance of 0.0000000137 millimeters. Just sayin' :dancing:
 
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Hagar said:
So the idea of rockets leaving effecting the planet rotation got me thinking and wondering about perspective and percentage, etc. The space shuttle at launch had a weight of 2 million (2x10^6) kg. The mass of the earth is 5.9x10^24 kg. This is a ratio of 1:2.95x10^18. The circumference of the earth is 40,339 km. Applying the ratio to the circumference give a distance of 0.0000000137 millimeters. Just sayin' :dancing:
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Nice. But also consider that much of the launch weight was just fuel that doesn't go into orbit at all, it just goes out the back of the rocket and into the atmosphere.
 
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The North Pole was actually at the South Pole once, and will be again. It's got nothing to do with rockets and such. It's the dynamo effect caused by the molten core and other layers above that. I would not worry too much about it!
 
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Davidasailor26 said:
Nice. But also consider that much of the launch weight was just fuel that doesn't go into orbit at all, it just goes out the back of the rocket and into the atmosphere.
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Add to that the fact that the space shuttle never left Earth's gravitational field and returned and I think you will find
Hagar said:
0.0000000137 millimeters.
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Is more like 0 mm.

- Will (Dragonfly)
 
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But was the Shuttle flying with or against the Earths rotation. Still in the Earth's gravitational pull speeding up or dragging against the Earth's gravitational pull?
What's the statement a butterfly flapping it's wings can cause a Hurricane on the other side of the earth. O My:yikes:.
 
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Maybe time to dust off my Sea Grant writing skills and propose a project to study " The Effect of the North Pole Shift on the Incubation of Clamus Newenglandus in the Estuaries of Northern New England"...
 
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Will Gilmore said:
Add to that the fact that the space shuttle never left Earth's gravitational field and returned and I think you will find

Is more like 0 mm.

- Will (Dragonfly)
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Purely for the sake of academic discussion - even if the rockets stay in earth's gravitational field I'd imagine they could have an effect on rotation. When a spinning ice skater puts out their arms they slow down, even though the arms are still connected to their body.
 
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I took my uncle fishing this week, and it felt like we were going about as fast so I could let him “troll” for a while :deadhorse:

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So, if the pole shifts, is there a chance that the Great Lakes will be be the new “Caribbean”?
If so, I am all for global warming, pole shifting or whatever is going on!

I hate my short sailing season (but I do like fresh water!).

Greg
 
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jssailem said:
On the other hand it could be sun spots.
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It is!!!
As our Sun is now going into it's Sun Spot snoozing cycle, its gravitational pull changes and solar storms slow down.
Our Sun has normally a North and South pole too.;)
During this snooze, the Poles are flipping on the Sun.:eek:

Now the Sun essentially has NO poles for the next 6 years.
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Global warming!
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Welcome back to Global Cooling...
Jim...
 
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Does that mean I can ignore the tariff and pass the sunscreen aisle for 6 years? There’s new bimini canvas right there!
 
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