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Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
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Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Joe, don't think anyone is recommending a 30ft., just making the point that a question of enough room depends on lots of different factors...:D
I know, Luz...... as I said, there's no consensus, because all of us have different standards of comfortability, and it's usually related to the size of the wallet. But, 30 footer was brought into the conversation so I commented.... now, for myself, I would feel much more comfortable on a 150 footer, with a chef and masseuse, but I'm not recommending that either.... heh, heh.
 

Vic H.

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Jan 15, 2012
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Hinterholler Shark 24 Greenhaven, CT
I've had a "Shark 24" for 20+ years, couldn't be happier. Built as strong as a tank, easy to sail, two long berths plus V berth, light at 2200 lbs, approx 3 ft draft, competetive racer cruiser, relatively inexpensive to buy, very active class in Canada means parts/sails readily available. The only downside I see is shes a bit slow in light air but goes like heck when wind blows. In a race where a J24 and a Merit 25 were nearly knocked down, the worst we had was I spilled my soda! The boat will plane in the right conditions and can be easily trailered. Can even trailer launch w/long trailer tongue and deep ramp.
 
Jul 29, 2010
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Macgregor 76 V-25 #928 Lake Mead, Nevada
I'm a little slanted but I've always owned Venture/Macs for the last 40+ years. Easy to trailer, easy to launch, easy to sail, easy to maintain. If you have a local sailing club in your area, check with them. You'll get some great advice.
 
May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
I had a Hunter 22 for a few years. I bought it for around 3000. I did some work on it and it made a great cruiser. I sailed her on a 10 day trip around the Chesapeake Bay.

If you plan on doing some cruising, you want an ample amount of layout in the boat. Having a marine head instead of a porta-potty helps too. If you need a shower you can do the solar shower thing and it works fine.

I trailered it with a 2001 Ford F-350. It was no problem. One thing with trailer sailing is that it takes a descent amount of time to step and un-step the mast. Quite frankly, I found that to be a pain in the butt. My last season with the hunter 22 she was in a slip.

When you go up a size in boats you go up in price and also you have more weight to deal with. A larger mast means it can be harder to step.

Another good line of boats for this is the Hunter 260 and their other water ballest models. They have a good amount of room in them.

Don't concern yourself with what you invest in the boat as you will never get a total recovery. Concern yourself with having a comfortable and safe boat. If you figure out those things you can't go wrong.
 
Feb 26, 2008
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Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
Welcome guys. I'm biased towards the Catalina 22 because we had one as our first boat. That said there are a lot of good boats and good buys in this size range. When you're looking at boats spend more than a few minutes down below. Sit down for a while and try to imagine being in that space for a few days. How comfortable would YOU be? Cruising on a boat this size is going to be a lot like camping in a small RV or pop-up, so think in those terms.


A couple of options to check out on the C22 if you go with that boat:
  • Pop tops were an option and will give you standing head room. There's also a poptop enclosure available that will keep out the weather and bugs.
  • There's a gin pole option that makes raising and lowering the mast much easier. A gin pole is inserted near the base of the mast at a 90 degree angle and a line is attached to the trailer winch to winch the mast up.
  • If you're looking at a project boat check the condition of the sails and the outboard. These are the most expensive items if they need to be replaced.
  • A slide out "galley" was an option. Opinions vary on how useful it is and they're usually available on ebay.
  • There are a TON of Catalina 22's out there, so you can find them in any condition from a total wreck to better than showroom. That also means they're easy to sell if and when you want to move on. These are very popular boats.
Check out the Catalina 22 Owners Association
http://www.catalina22.org/

They're a great source for information and might even be a good source for finding a boat. Check out the local fleet in your area. You can find it at:
http://www.catalina22.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=3&Itemid=9

They also have a technical manual for the boats that is definitely worth having https://www.catalina22.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=6&Itemid=7

Two other sites to look over:
Catalina Direct: A great source of parts for these boats www.catalinadirect.com
Chip Ford: http://www.chipford.com/ has a great site documenting every dollar put into his 1976 C22. His site also has a checklist for what to look at when buying a C22 and tips for living aboard a C22 on extended cruises (he does one annually).

Best of luck finding your boat,
Jim
 
Sep 5, 2007
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MacGregor 26X Rochester
Just another two cents, but when I was looking for my first trailer sailer, I couldn't find a C22 in my price range, and ended up with an Aquarius 7.0, which is an Aquarius 23 with a stern rudder instead of the cassette-through-the-cockpit-sole which is the most common. Coastal Recreation, like ODay and many others, went out long ago, but they're built pretty solid, and can be had for little money. Very shallow draft with the boards pulled up (13"), so very easy to trailer launch and retrieve - that's a real consideration, by the way. Lots of boats can be trailered, but if you have to use a tongue extension to launch it, I'm not interested.

After some keel boats, I'm back to trailer sailing (MacGregor 26X), mostly so I can get to landlocked Finger Lakes, and quick trips to the Thousand Islands (a two day sail, one-way, from here), plus I've had it in the Erie Canal several times in the few short months since I got it. Water ballast (1400 lb left behind), weighs 3500 with trailer, configured the way I use it, and about 4000 with trailer loaded with more junk than I'll ever bother with. Tows easy. Standing room, enclosed head (with an actual door), inexpensive hardware, one-man mast raising and lowering (but still takes a while to rig). Not the greatest sailer, and not the greatest power boat, but with the Honda 50 outboard, my 18 year old son learned to wakeboard behind it, and had a ball. It does 16 mph with no ballast and three men onboard, with the mast up.

Many folks look down their noses at Macs, as did I until I got one, but it fits my needs at this time to a T. Eventually I'll get back into keel boats, but I'm having too much fun with this one to think that far ahead. :dance: Maybe after retirement, when I move south.
 
Dec 13, 2011
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I'm with Bad Obsession. You probably want to keep it in the water during the warmer months. After about 3 or 4 trips where you spend an hour stepping and rigging before sailing and then doing the same at the end of the day.....you will find excuses not to go sailing that weekend. Then the romantic idea becomes a driveway fixture. Buy a 22-24 footer and put it in a wet-slip ($6-$7)/ft. I have a '74 Mirage 24. I am motoring out of the slip 15 minutes after locking the car doors. Anything above 25 an your towing and ramp launching options drop off. An O'Day 22 is also a nice cruiser too. Our family of 6 took a week long cruise from Mobile to Perdido Bay on the ODay. Four of us slept below. My brother and I slept on the cockpit. Dont let headroom deter you. I am 5'11. The Mirage is 5 ft standing. However i dont spend much time below.
 

vetch

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Dec 3, 2011
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Prout Manta 38 St. Augustine
tkanzler said:
Many folks look down their noses at Macs, as did I until I got one, but it fits my needs at this time to a T. Eventually I'll get back into keel boats, but I'm having too much fun with this one to think that far ahead. :dance: Maybe after retirement, when I move south.

It is funny that that happens. My first boat was a mac 22 and evem now when I tell people I had one the usual response is "I'm sorry". If they suck so much why have they sold so darn many?

But then now I have an Aquarius A21 (another good boat that also gets little respect) so maybe I just root for the underdog.

I agree with the poster who said check the motor and sails. A lot of older (read affordable) boats are basicly totaled if the sails are bad. But then anything can be restored its just a matter of time and money.

If I was you I wouldn't get locked into a specific make or model, but a set of required features, and a price point. Then go for it!

BTW something to consider is berth length. In my A21 the V birth is two short so me and the wife don't have a double birth to share. Not till I lengthen it that is.
 
Oct 10, 2009
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Catalina 27 3657 Lake Monroe
I have an O'Day 23. When it's just my wife and myself, the boat is great for over night stays or longer. In fact, to us it feels downright roomy. With my two kids added, it's still OK, but we're not big people and I think the fact that this boat has a little more headroom than a C22 makes if feel a little bigger (though I can't say whether it really has any more room other than head room). Some people say go with as much boat as you feel you can handle, or as much as you can afford and reasonably raise a mast with. I am the opposite, if you're new to sailing, keep it simple, keep it as small as you can possibly tolerate and you'll be rewarded with fewer (or at least less severe) headaches in your first couple of years. Additionally, you'll learn to live within the confines of a sailboat, which requires economy, organization, neatness and practicality. Think about it, in the age of sail crew members got 14 inches of hammock space and captains might not have gotten standing head room until they were posted to a frigate.

Having said that, I know a couple people with Hunter 260s and they are wonderful boats. Compared to a C22, the cabin is like a dance hall.
 
Nov 2, 2010
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Precision 28 Ashland, Oregon
Water Ballast means that instead of lead or steel (etc) in your keel there is water. Pro is that you can drain it to make the boat lighter to trailer, etc. Con is that you have intentionally put water IN your boat (not my favorite idea); if not filled entirely (or at all) it may cause the boat to be less than stable (e.g.: could capsize)...
 
Apr 19, 1999
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Pearson Wanderer Titusville, Florida
It's impossible, you see, to get a consensus for your question's answer. Now you have guys recommending 30 footers... what?

There are many boats not mentioned that would suit your purpose(West Wight Potter 19 comes to mind)...but the Cat 22 is the most popular, easiest to find, easiest to re sell, most fairly priced, best factory supported and most widely owner supported. You have a question about your boat....there's thousands of owners to help solve your problem....not to mention a simple call to Catalina custiomer service for parts and advice.....
Catalina 22, for all the reasons above. It moves well in light air but is stable and fast when the wind picks up (they race them at the state and national level). The C-22 is easy to rig and get on and off the trailer. You can tow it with almost anything and use just about any boat ramp.

With the keel up, it floats in a little over a foot of water, which makes it great for exploring. You can sail almost to the beach and walk the rest of the way without getting your shorts wet. If you run aground, step over the side and walk the boat back to deeper water.

Your first boat should be sturdy, forgiving, low maintenance and easy to sail. You want to be able to sail it as much as possible. It should also be inexpensive so that if you find sailing is not for you, you should be able to sell it for close to what you paid for it. I've seen C-22s in fair shape for under $2,000. Regardless of price, make sure the sails, motor, hull and trailer are serviceable (these are big ticket items). Most of the other stuff can be replaced at low to modest cost.

In addition, here are a few books I think are well worth reading, especially for new sailors:

"Sailing Big on a Small Sailboat" by Jerry Cardwell
"Sailing for Dummies" by J.J. Isler
"Sailing Fundamentals" by Eric Jobson (used to be ASA Basic Keelboat text)
"Handbook of Trailer Sailing" by Robert Burgess

There are many more books but these cover the basics very well and are easy to read even if you have little or no experience. Good luck!
 
Nov 2, 2010
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Precision 28 Ashland, Oregon
One note regarding Catalina 22's. If the boat has a Swing Keel (many if not most do), make sure that the cable and winch used ti raise and loser it are in decent serviceable shape.
 
Jul 23, 2009
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Beneteau 31 Oceanis Grand Lake, Oklahoma
Be sure to look at the San Juan 23. I just sold mine and replaced it with a San Juan 7.7m. The SJ23 fits your needs and has lots more room in the cabin than a c22. I also know that there is/was one for sale at Ft. Gibson lake. Good price too.

Be sure to check out the sailing club at Oologah lake.

Any chance your going to the Tulsa boat show?
 

kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
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CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
I had a Hunter 22 ...

I trailered it with a 2001 Ford F-350. It was no problem. One thing with trailer sailing is that it takes a decent amount of time to step and un-step the mast. Quite frankly, I found that to be a pain in the butt. My last season with the hunter 22 she was in a slip.
You can pull Noah's Ark with an F-350, so that doesn't tell us anything ;)

We still like our 19' boat for its easy trailering, reasonable accommodations (especially with a dodger and a back canopy) and sailing characteristics (nimble, moves in a puff, yet quite lake-worthy). It's not to everyone's taste, but we're going into our 7th season with her and still enjoying.

For most of the season we "drysail" our boat from a yacht club - this means that we keep her on the trailer but rigged, and it just takes a few minutes for us to launch. It's another option.

We occasionally get to use vacant slips when available which has given us a taste for the real yacht lifestyle. One of these years we'll spring for it.

best wishes to the newbies :)
 
Jan 25, 2012
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Yea i talked to the people at red bud about taking a lesson after we get or boat. That sounds like a good idea anyway
 
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