Dear Benny, Tom, & some of the rest, Hello! I'm obviously the new kid on this block and am perfectly willing to accept the beating for rocking the boats around here. However, before you all pass judgement on me, you need to hear me out for a moment longer. I'm not a polemist, nor am I ignorant of what most people consider to be proper internet etiquette and protocol. However, at the same time I'm not naive about the wide variety of people, opinions and paradigms that are associated with each websites. You get all kinds. I truly love sailing as I expect that most of you do. However, I have only been sailing for about three years now and am really curious about why all of you sail and how sailing fits into your own life styles? I also expect to learn a thing or two in the process, which is the other reason why I came to this website. 20 years in the US Army has taught me allot about human nature and human character. It's also taught me not to be faint of heart either. The rest I've learned after 14 years on the Internet. One of best ways to find about a person's character is to "Fire a shot across their bow and see how they react." As with the reaction from these last two messages of mine. I got my answers. Quite a few people on this website remained very polite, which I sincerely do appreciate. Several, of you simply blew me off as just another 'Rookie' know it all, crack pot entering this website. Good answer and a very true statement too. My compliments to all of those guys. ;^) That leaves about four or five of you that were intolerant, indignant or offended some how. Text messages are one dimensional (1D), people are three dimensional (3D). How you were able to infer and attribute all those sins to a "newbie" like me after reading just one and a half 'data' heavy messages, is hard to understand. You are the reason I pull stunts like this in order to draw you out into the open. After all the message did say "don't reply" if offended. FINALLY, to the vast majority of the rest of you that regularly contribute to this website and the many more of you lurking on the sidelines, "I appologize for any inconvenience I've caused you." I will get off my high horse now and quietly give you all a chance to know me better, before tossing any more hand grenades aboard your vessles in the future. ;^) You wouldn't believe it now. But, I expect that most of Us will become quite good friends some day, if you give me half a chance. Regards, James
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James
I still can't figure out how, from your original post and the subsequent "scam" admission, you received anything meaningful (as you said you did) in finding out how sailing fits into our lifestyle(s), particularly when that wasn't remotely related to your original post. One thing this forum will definitely show is a broad range of behaviors though... Havingsaid that (read - vented), welcome to the group and try to remain thick-skinned. We're all here to learn.
I still can't figure out how, from your original post and the subsequent "scam" admission, you received anything meaningful (as you said you did) in finding out how sailing fits into our lifestyle(s), particularly when that wasn't remotely related to your original post. One thing this forum will definitely show is a broad range of behaviors though... Havingsaid that (read - vented), welcome to the group and try to remain thick-skinned. We're all here to learn.
James, When you fire a shot across my bow
It is well that you be prepared to take counter fire. You do not approach from a position of strength therefore you can not know what responce you will receive. I think that I will always regard you and any statements you make with suspicion. You arrived under false colors and now choose to treat it as a prank. You may have learned much during your 20 years in uniform but apparently you didn't learn how to inspire trust in a group of strangers.
It is well that you be prepared to take counter fire. You do not approach from a position of strength therefore you can not know what responce you will receive. I think that I will always regard you and any statements you make with suspicion. You arrived under false colors and now choose to treat it as a prank. You may have learned much during your 20 years in uniform but apparently you didn't learn how to inspire trust in a group of strangers.
A dog that comes in...
snapping its jaws is going to get kicked. Might I recommend you change your user name and start again. This time, let the fellows get to know you before becoming jocular. Just a little sage advise from one retired vet to another...
snapping its jaws is going to get kicked. Might I recommend you change your user name and start again. This time, let the fellows get to know you before becoming jocular. Just a little sage advise from one retired vet to another...
Ignore this guy.....wants attention like a kid.
James, just post your question and move on. Quit dwelling on this...makes me feel like I am talking with a kid with low self esteem. Move on with it please. abe
James, just post your question and move on. Quit dwelling on this...makes me feel like I am talking with a kid with low self esteem. Move on with it please. abe
Join the politics forum ...
civility is not encouraged there and a blatant display of unsocial behavior is looked upon with amusement!
civility is not encouraged there and a blatant display of unsocial behavior is looked upon with amusement!
James......
I was not offended by you one bit. Im at work and bored to death, it gives me something to do. I would be curious to know on an individual basis, what percentage of each reply is A) to be helpful. B) Just passing time C) Ego motivated to display all of ones knowledge, and D)Other. Unfortunately there is no way to ever know. Actually, I do have your trust because you wouldnt be here appologising. You would stay on here if you liked this Forum, and just change your name and no one would be the wiser. I dont mean to offend you, but 20 years in the military did not teach you anything about human nature and human character outside of the military society. As for a scam? I think that may have been a poor choice of wording on your part. I think of a scam as really putting something over on someone, in this case you would be laughing at all the morons, including myself that responded to you original post. Maybe its my ego talking, but I dont think thats the case or you wouldnt have come back here now. As for your original post, you offered more information than u asked for. And as for the responses, including my own, I dont remember anyone actually answering your question. You asked for us to quantify, which means you were looking for numbers, such as in length, not the philosophies you received , which at the beginning of your post you stated that this subject has more or less been covered before. Now, if you would just register with the forum and fill out some info on the 'Owner Directory' maybe we can all get to know you better. Having said all of that, WELCOME ABOARD !!!! Tony B
I was not offended by you one bit. Im at work and bored to death, it gives me something to do. I would be curious to know on an individual basis, what percentage of each reply is A) to be helpful. B) Just passing time C) Ego motivated to display all of ones knowledge, and D)Other. Unfortunately there is no way to ever know. Actually, I do have your trust because you wouldnt be here appologising. You would stay on here if you liked this Forum, and just change your name and no one would be the wiser. I dont mean to offend you, but 20 years in the military did not teach you anything about human nature and human character outside of the military society. As for a scam? I think that may have been a poor choice of wording on your part. I think of a scam as really putting something over on someone, in this case you would be laughing at all the morons, including myself that responded to you original post. Maybe its my ego talking, but I dont think thats the case or you wouldnt have come back here now. As for your original post, you offered more information than u asked for. And as for the responses, including my own, I dont remember anyone actually answering your question. You asked for us to quantify, which means you were looking for numbers, such as in length, not the philosophies you received , which at the beginning of your post you stated that this subject has more or less been covered before. Now, if you would just register with the forum and fill out some info on the 'Owner Directory' maybe we can all get to know you better. Having said all of that, WELCOME ABOARD !!!! Tony B
James
"That leaves about four or five of you that were intolerant, indignant or offended some how" Let me think about that. You post a message, people take the time out of their day and put the effort into responding to your message, thinking that perhaps they can help you, offer some sort of advice to save you time perhaps? Maybe reach out because we have all had things that the combined thoughts of this group has helped clear up. I can only speak for myself here, but I can assure you I don't respond to someone for their entertainment because they felt like playing head games. You have a question? ask it! Your 20 years in the Army sure didn't teach you about honesty, or stepping up and asking for an honest answer to an honest question. Oh, just so you don't misunderstand it's not about "newbie" You asked a question then you come back and rub it in our faces that you "scammed" us? Yeah James, you are one hell of a guy. All I know for sure is that you didn't have the personal honor to say you were wrong or to apologize, you had to twist that around too. I wonder, what did you learn in the Army? It sure doesn't seem like it was what they were trying to teach. We're, well again, I can only speak for myself, I'm not here for your personal enjoyment. Personally? -------- I see no reason to respond to anything you post. Tom s/v GAIA
"That leaves about four or five of you that were intolerant, indignant or offended some how" Let me think about that. You post a message, people take the time out of their day and put the effort into responding to your message, thinking that perhaps they can help you, offer some sort of advice to save you time perhaps? Maybe reach out because we have all had things that the combined thoughts of this group has helped clear up. I can only speak for myself here, but I can assure you I don't respond to someone for their entertainment because they felt like playing head games. You have a question? ask it! Your 20 years in the Army sure didn't teach you about honesty, or stepping up and asking for an honest answer to an honest question. Oh, just so you don't misunderstand it's not about "newbie" You asked a question then you come back and rub it in our faces that you "scammed" us? Yeah James, you are one hell of a guy. All I know for sure is that you didn't have the personal honor to say you were wrong or to apologize, you had to twist that around too. I wonder, what did you learn in the Army? It sure doesn't seem like it was what they were trying to teach. We're, well again, I can only speak for myself, I'm not here for your personal enjoyment. Personally? -------- I see no reason to respond to anything you post. Tom s/v GAIA
James, you miss calculated,
This site is a close sailing community, even when we don't get along. You may know other sites, you don't get this one. I know you are going to get beatup pretty bad so I will let that for the others. As bad as you are going to get beatup, I wish to welcome you here with forgiveness. This is a great site and that is for a reason, The quality of the people that operate and participate in it. Input here is closely and thoroughly evaluated. I hope there is somewhere here you will fit. We all love sailing, I guess you see the pranks should not start at the first go around. I do appreciate your military career. Thank you for that. Hopefully these guys (after a thorough lashing) will share as they so generiously do. I think instead of an explanation, a flat out surrender and an unqualified apology might help. r.w.landau
This site is a close sailing community, even when we don't get along. You may know other sites, you don't get this one. I know you are going to get beatup pretty bad so I will let that for the others. As bad as you are going to get beatup, I wish to welcome you here with forgiveness. This is a great site and that is for a reason, The quality of the people that operate and participate in it. Input here is closely and thoroughly evaluated. I hope there is somewhere here you will fit. We all love sailing, I guess you see the pranks should not start at the first go around. I do appreciate your military career. Thank you for that. Hopefully these guys (after a thorough lashing) will share as they so generiously do. I think instead of an explanation, a flat out surrender and an unqualified apology might help. r.w.landau
I am offended
How dare somebody take the bad boy image away from me
Nobody is allowed to be hated more then me James, I sue you on grounds of stealing my identity. I seek payment in reward of you leaving this site forever. What does the jury decide?
How dare somebody take the bad boy image away from me
Nobody is allowed to be hated more then me James, I sue you on grounds of stealing my identity. I seek payment in reward of you leaving this site forever. What does the jury decide?The jury says.....
enough of this already....let's get re-focused on some more important mid-winter issues....like Boat Babe!!!
enough of this already....let's get re-focused on some more important mid-winter issues....like Boat Babe!!!
Flame On!
Nice one Ross. Lets see if I can really put my foot in his mouth although everyone has really hit most of the nails on the head already. I have been trying to restrain myself all afternoon as Abe and others have suggested, but hey, let's have some fun! I dont know if you have noticed, James, but that this is not the Army? Most folks here are yachties and are usually full of opinions and helpful answers when asked nicely. When you blow smoke up their a$$e$ or drop hand grenades in their boats they will not likely take it to kindly. Ever hear of an expression: "You can catch more flies with honey?" or dont they teach that in the Army. Where you in the Army Intelligence division (oxymoron)??? Maybe you should go back and get de-briefed again so you can join the civil(ian) world and leave your shots across the bow (that's a naval term by the way - not army) and hand grenades (definately army) back at the barracks. I am not sure what you think you accomplished by alienating around half of the nice and helpful people on this forum. And you want to know about how boating fits into our "lifestyles"? Are you working for DHS now or CIA or something? One thing I think I have learned about boaters is not to get into political or lifestyle discussions. You cant debate opinions - they are like a$$holes and everyone has one. You remind me of the great divider who leads this country (oops! - sorry about that, I meant decider!) trying to pit position A against position B. I heard an interesting piece on NPR (read not FOX news) about how the human brain is hard wired to prefer the group they are in and how we instinctively pigeon hole people. This makes sense as people who stick together as a group will survive adversity better than those who strike out on their own. So if you are in the Army, well you like it better than the Air Force or Navy. If your religion is Shiite then you will defend it against people who are not. If you are a Mormon, well then in your mind that is the best religion. Scott, where is that political forum you were talking about I have a feeling I am going to need that website! If you own a Hunter, well that is the best boat for you. Any dots connected yet? I consider myself fairly liberal (read tolerant) but I think you should know that your undertanding of human psychology is not the best, even though you logically think you have it mastered. I have some other boating suggestions: Keep an FM radio on board so you can listen to NPR when the VHF, Loran, DSS and all else fails, you dont need them anyway, nor did Joshua Slocum. Need a fuel additive? Try a few pounds of granulated sugar in your tank. Want to lower the mast? Simply remove the cotter and clevis pins on all the stays and shrouds and let gravity do it for you. Much easier than a crane. While we are at it, who needs bottom paint anyway? That slime and growth on the bottom of your boat will help you glide through the water much faster than any copper based paint. Oh, and older lines that are frayed are much stronger than new ones as they have already proved their strength. You also dont want to keep tying up those fenders so just leave them on all season. This is a flame broiled sarcasm sandwich. Enjoy. Next time ask a straight question but always strain the answer for flavor. Welcome aboard. You are the best!
Nice one Ross. Lets see if I can really put my foot in his mouth although everyone has really hit most of the nails on the head already. I have been trying to restrain myself all afternoon as Abe and others have suggested, but hey, let's have some fun! I dont know if you have noticed, James, but that this is not the Army? Most folks here are yachties and are usually full of opinions and helpful answers when asked nicely. When you blow smoke up their a$$e$ or drop hand grenades in their boats they will not likely take it to kindly. Ever hear of an expression: "You can catch more flies with honey?" or dont they teach that in the Army. Where you in the Army Intelligence division (oxymoron)??? Maybe you should go back and get de-briefed again so you can join the civil(ian) world and leave your shots across the bow (that's a naval term by the way - not army) and hand grenades (definately army) back at the barracks. I am not sure what you think you accomplished by alienating around half of the nice and helpful people on this forum. And you want to know about how boating fits into our "lifestyles"? Are you working for DHS now or CIA or something? One thing I think I have learned about boaters is not to get into political or lifestyle discussions. You cant debate opinions - they are like a$$holes and everyone has one. You remind me of the great divider who leads this country (oops! - sorry about that, I meant decider!) trying to pit position A against position B. I heard an interesting piece on NPR (read not FOX news) about how the human brain is hard wired to prefer the group they are in and how we instinctively pigeon hole people. This makes sense as people who stick together as a group will survive adversity better than those who strike out on their own. So if you are in the Army, well you like it better than the Air Force or Navy. If your religion is Shiite then you will defend it against people who are not. If you are a Mormon, well then in your mind that is the best religion. Scott, where is that political forum you were talking about I have a feeling I am going to need that website! If you own a Hunter, well that is the best boat for you. Any dots connected yet? I consider myself fairly liberal (read tolerant) but I think you should know that your undertanding of human psychology is not the best, even though you logically think you have it mastered. I have some other boating suggestions: Keep an FM radio on board so you can listen to NPR when the VHF, Loran, DSS and all else fails, you dont need them anyway, nor did Joshua Slocum. Need a fuel additive? Try a few pounds of granulated sugar in your tank. Want to lower the mast? Simply remove the cotter and clevis pins on all the stays and shrouds and let gravity do it for you. Much easier than a crane. While we are at it, who needs bottom paint anyway? That slime and growth on the bottom of your boat will help you glide through the water much faster than any copper based paint. Oh, and older lines that are frayed are much stronger than new ones as they have already proved their strength. You also dont want to keep tying up those fenders so just leave them on all season. This is a flame broiled sarcasm sandwich. Enjoy. Next time ask a straight question but always strain the answer for flavor. Welcome aboard. You are the best!
CalebD, there is a point of going to far.
I don't care if the man pis*ed on me. He served our country. That is not meat to fry. The others have made military comment but the insult of intelligence goes over the line. He was willing to give his life for you. Show respect in that area,please. r.w.landau
I don't care if the man pis*ed on me. He served our country. That is not meat to fry. The others have made military comment but the insult of intelligence goes over the line. He was willing to give his life for you. Show respect in that area,please. r.w.landau
A certain amount of military service
does not grant the right to flout reasonable social behavior. Honest inquiry will always be met by me with an effort to find good and proper answers. But if the petitioner then laughs in my face and tells me that he was just checking to see if I knew the answer then that person is much diminished in my book. It does indeed reflect upon a persons intelligence to play such sophomoric games. Many of us on this forum have seen military service. Some of us long before many of the younger members were born. I don't accept as valid credentials the mere length of service as the means of bestowing knowledge and common sense.
does not grant the right to flout reasonable social behavior. Honest inquiry will always be met by me with an effort to find good and proper answers. But if the petitioner then laughs in my face and tells me that he was just checking to see if I knew the answer then that person is much diminished in my book. It does indeed reflect upon a persons intelligence to play such sophomoric games. Many of us on this forum have seen military service. Some of us long before many of the younger members were born. I don't accept as valid credentials the mere length of service as the means of bestowing knowledge and common sense.
Ross, I said the man was willing to die for us.
Beat him up where he deserves it but don't question the price he was willing to pay for us. I honor our military and their convictions. I don't agree what he did here so beat him up for what he did here. Ross, thank you for your service! r.w.landau
Beat him up where he deserves it but don't question the price he was willing to pay for us. I honor our military and their convictions. I don't agree what he did here so beat him up for what he did here. Ross, thank you for your service! r.w.landau
rwlandau..cheat me once shame on you....
cheat me twice, shame on me. As far as I am concern you cant trust anything this guy says. You don't know if he was really in the military do you? He may just be having fun with all you fools...including self..reading all the posts after his second bunch of lies. abe
cheat me twice, shame on me. As far as I am concern you cant trust anything this guy says. You don't know if he was really in the military do you? He may just be having fun with all you fools...including self..reading all the posts after his second bunch of lies. abe
Ross, next question, If James posts a serious
question, will you answer it? Ross, Brian just posted about his halyards, he had a number of responces, but only acknowledged one. Is that laughing in your face? Would you quit responding? People are people. They connect with certian people. The advise given to Brian he did thank everyone but singley only acknowleged by Steve. So your last arguement, is hard to choke down. r.w.landau
question, will you answer it? Ross, Brian just posted about his halyards, he had a number of responces, but only acknowledged one. Is that laughing in your face? Would you quit responding? People are people. They connect with certian people. The advise given to Brian he did thank everyone but singley only acknowleged by Steve. So your last arguement, is hard to choke down. r.w.landau
R.W. I will view with suspicion anything James
has to say in the future. There are many here that post questions and then at a later date acknowledge the answers with thanks. There are also a few that post questions and are never heard from again. And once in a great while someone imperiously asks where something might be obtained, how much it will cost and how soon can it be delivered. The latter is usually ignored.
has to say in the future. There are many here that post questions and then at a later date acknowledge the answers with thanks. There are also a few that post questions and are never heard from again. And once in a great while someone imperiously asks where something might be obtained, how much it will cost and how soon can it be delivered. The latter is usually ignored.
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