The Cruise The good and the bad

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May 11, 2005
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Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
OK Here is a report of our recent trip east. Some very good and some pretty bad. First night out we rafted up at Ship Island. Mike and Martha, aboard Miss Martha, a new Hunter 45CC. John and Rachel aboard Anna Bell II, a pretty new Hunter 36. Russ and Barbara aboard Cool Breeze a Catalina 30, and last but not least, Lois and yours trult aboard Candida our S 37. Some adult beverages consumed, good food eaten, lies told, the whole nine yards. Next morning we head out for Pensacola, a 100 mile run. Good sailing, and I must say that the H45 is fast. Anchored up in Big Lagoon about 3 am. The Anna Belle and Miss Martha went on in to Pensacola for some maint. issues. Candida and Cool Breeze anchored up in Big Lagoon. Next day spent loafing, and a run into Pcola to stock up. A very nice night spent in Big Lagoon. Now it's off to Destin following morning. Very nice day, winds kind of light and flukie. Miss Martha and Anna Belle headed straight for Destin, I and Cool Breeze made a long offshore tack, thinking the sea breeze would soon fill in and we could then make one long straight run into Destin. That didn't work out, so we were tail end Charlies at Destin. Then the stuff sort of hit the fan. About to enter the Destin jetties, and chose to take all sail off the boat, as the channel is crooked and was pretty crowded. Rolling up the furler, and it wouldn't roll up. Then the POP. Up on the foredeck to have a look, and the bottom of the forestay is loose. The cotter pin on the shackle is gone, and the shackle has parted. I now have a 170 flying loose. My very first thought is to run downwind and try to blanket it with the main. No deal, we now have the offshore wind, and down wind will put us on the beach. So with Lois heading the boat upwind, I make an effort to get things under control, and not loose the mast. First I jury rig a line for a forestay, and try to drop the sail No deal, the foil has some kinks in it, and the sail isn't coming down. So I gather the sail up as much as possible and we limp into Destin harbor under power. Raft up with Anna Belle, and get the sail wrapped up a little, but have it under some semblance of control. I am beat and nearly exhaused, so the hell with it, and we all dinghy to AJ's for dinner. Good food, good company, good time. Will worry about it in the morning. Unfortunately morning came around, on schedule, and again I try to get the sail down. No deal, it ain't coming down. Remove the sheets, and roll it up from the end and lash it to the foil. Of course the lashing is limited to the area I can reach by standing on the bow rail. Re do my jury rig, and put the spinnaker halyard to work as the forestay. All seems fairly secure, seems being the operative word here. Off we go heading back for Pcola. But we have to run offshore as the bridges won't allow me to run inside. Cool Breeze is with us. By half way the upper part of the sail is flapping, and the mast is pumping. I keep going up on the foredeck trying to get it under control, but nothing seems to work. The flapping sail and foil are making it almost a full time job keeping chafe under control. By the time we get into Big Lagoon, the sail is getting pretty ragged, and I am again physically exhausted from fighting it all day. That night is long and tough. The wind is blowing 15 to 20, and I have a lot of sail flapping up high. I can't figure out how to control it, and the anchor doesn't want to hold this mess in one spot. I know I have to get the sail down, but the only way I can figure out how to do this is go up the mast and cut it loose. And with this much wind I ain't going up there. Too much crap flapping around and the mast is pumping pretty good. In the morning we again try to wrap the sail around the foil, then run a messenger line up with the main halyard, and take as many wraps around the sail as we can. After the day before, I don't have much faith in this working, but just can't come up with any new ideas. Once more we head out. Making Bear Point that afternoon. Once more the sail control has lasted about half a day, before it all comes undone. And again I am physically exhausted from trying to make new jury rigs all day, as the flapping parts are chafing everything I try. Another long day, but tied up at a marina that night, so at least I get a good nights sleep, and finally the morning is calm. Up the mast I go, thanks again for the assist from Russel, cut the wire halyard and down comes the sail. Or whats left of it. I clear all the failed jury rigs off the fore deck, re tie the spinnaker halyard as a fore stay, and secure the foil and drum to the toe rail. Finally an uneventful day, and other than regularly checking for chafe, all goes pretty well. Anchor up at Ship Island and are one day from home. Things are looking up. Russel and Barbara are staying with us aboard the Cool Breeze, and it is very comforting to have them there. The last day and off we go, about 40 miles from home. An hour later and bang. The wire halyard which has been un movable, now has moved. And it moves right into the spinnaker halyard, at the top of the mast. The one place I had not been looking at for chafe. The halyard parts, and once again we have a pumping mast, basically nothing holding it in front. Another mad scramble up on deck. The wind is blowing 20 or so, and the foil and drum are beating me to death. I finally get a line on the drum, under the anchor roller and back to a winch and cinch it down. Think I have things under control now, when the final embarassment happens. I hear a thunk, and the engine stops rather suddenly. YEP The broken spinnaker halyard, is now wrapped in the prop. In the hassle getting the mast secure, didn't even think about it. There is about a three foot chop in Mississippi sound, but in the water I go. Two attempts and I can't get the line off. At least not without risking life and limb. So our final day is spent on the end of a tow line behind the Cool Breeze. But we make it back, with the mast still standing. What started all this was a cotter pin gone missing. The pin on the shackle then backed out and all came loose. So how would you grade me on this fiasco. What did I do, and not do that would have helped. In hindsight, I probably should have removed the entire head stay, instead of just dropping the sail. Overall I would give myself a grade of C on my performance. The mast didn't come down, so I didn't flunk out, but should have done better. But since I am not too bashful about taking shots at others, give me your best one. I can take it, and hopefully will learn from it. And hope some others do also.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
That reminds me when we launch we have to let the forestay go

to clear the travel lift. When we are back in the water Stan reattaches the forestay. I gave him a new cotter But I haven't checked it for bend.
 
Feb 12, 2007
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Ericson 25 Oshkosh, WI
A for Effort

N&E~ You still have a mast standing and 10 fingers and 10 toes and you were able to write this story, that says alot. It is very easy to second guess things now. Put a feather in your cap for all of the success' of the voyage. It never seizes to surprise me how one "tiny" thing wrong escalates to the extreme. Glad that you are OK.
 
B

Benny

One day when rolling the jib in had a jam on

the furling line. Did not put any pressure on it but went forward to check. My eyes just fixated on the forestay fitting as the cutter pin was gone. Fortunately nothing happened and I was able to just put in a new cutter pin and then dealt with the line wrap. What was scary was that the previous day we had been out playing in 30 knot winds. Sorry to hear about your somewhat ruined trip. You may need to visit your local voodoo priestess to get rid of the bad luck and bad timing combo.
 
Oct 18, 2007
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Macgregor 26S Lucama, NC
For the want of a nail, the shoe was lost.....

...guess you've heard that story before, huh? ;D Glad you suffered no more damage than you did. -Paul
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Ship happens dude.

"The higher up the mountain, the better the view." - old Pakistani saying "Don't make a mountain out of a molehill." - old enough saying "He who laughs last..." - saying that translates to "you can fight another day" You did not do that badly. You are safe and sound and no one was hurt. You have time to figure out what went wrong and correct that in the future. I think that you deserve at least a "C+" or "B-" for arriving alive (as the old Florida license plates used to say).
 
Nov 18, 2006
183
Kirie Elite Elite 37 Moss Point MS
Sorry.......

sorry to hear of your misfortunes. But, hey, I for one agree with Rob and will give an "A" for effort. Just the week before last I also made the Pascagoula/Pensacola trip the Dick Dixon and the rest of our local sailors. All in all the trip was pleasant and pretty much uneventful except for a run in with a jellyfish at Big Lagoon, jellyfish won, I lost. Thank goodness for the old reliable vinegar and gin an tonics. The vinegar goes on the outside, the G&T on the inside. Keep an eye out over there for Dick, he is going today to test sail a 34 C&C with a friend and depending on sail and survey he and friend with bring back boat next Saturday. Frank
 
Jun 4, 2004
189
Catalina 30mkIII Elk Rapids, MI.
Outstanding?

Hi N+E; Don't be too hard on yourself. In aviation we have a saying: "Any landing you can walk away from is a good one! If you can still use the airplane it was outstanding!" You walked away, and you can still use the boat. Looks good to me. fair winds Dave
 
Jan 13, 2006
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- - Chesapeke
Did what ya could

When it hit's the fan, the first day is challenging, the second exhausting, the 3rd you're lucky if you can even think clearly. My only suggestion would have been to stay put at the first landfall and go get parts. It's certainly understandable to want to keep going with your friends but as serious as a dismasting can be, stopping would have been my call. But hey, you made it back and are all the saltyer for it.
 
Jun 13, 2005
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Irwin Barefoot 37 CC Sloop Port Orchard WA
Everybody here is giving you a pat on the back, but I won't

There are a couple of things still unclear to me in the story but let me start. In all my years of sailing I have never had, seen, or heard of a properly bent cotter pin backing out. They have, when reused a number of times, had one ear broken off; but even if both ends broke when trying to unbend the ends to get them out, they still had to be pulled hard to remove them. Thus I can only surmise that that cotter wasn't properly set and wasn't checked. I use rigging tape on every cotter pin on deck to prevent gouging me, or damaging my sails, Even if someone else had improperly inserted the pin you would have noticed it if you taped it. Any way your shackle failed because of you, and you used your spinnaker halyard as an emergency headstay and that was good. Then however, you should have tried to reattach the headstay with another shackle (easing the backstay, Mainsheet, and vang: and by using a winch on your spinnaker halyard and/or using a short tackle on the lower headstay). You obviously can't roll up a genoa on a free floating headstay and you don't give any indication that you tried to reattach it. Then evidently your jib halyard jammed and sometimes things like that happen. However, you indicated that it later released and caused chafe on the spinnaker halyard which leads me to think that maybe it had jumped the sheave, and if that is so, it may have happened when the shackle failed, but that could too have been prevented by an inspection. Then again Such is life. Then you rolled or roll gathered the genoa up to the headstay (not rolled it around the headstay) which was OK for a real temporary fix but I wouldn't think that was suitable even for overnight. You were rafted with friends and should have asked them to help you or someone else to go aloft. If a bad wind had come up during the night that sail (a 170 no less) could have unrolled and dragged your whole raft into danger. So if you couldn't get the headstay reattached, doused the sail, or eased the jib halyard it was time to go aloft to find out what was going on up there. You may have been able to free the halyard, or undo the upper shackle and get the sail down, and then you wouldn't have to disconnect the upper end of the headstay. But then the next morning you do go aloft and cut the jib halyard and you say that it was immovable so I guess you can't free it and you get the sail down so from there on you're OK. The fact later with the spinnaker halyard is just carelessness and you know that as well as I do, and thats something that happens to all of us sometimes. So I won't scold you for it. Remember For the loss of a nail the shoe was lost For the loss of the shoe the horse was lost For the loss of the horse the rider was lost and for the loss of the rider the war was lost. Is that the way the saying goes? ANYWAY CHECK AND TAPE YOUR COTTERPINS! Have fun Joe S Well without my criticism, I'm sure you learned a whole lot on your own
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
This is a question for folk with more at sea experience than I.

I keep on board several spools of small stuff with breaking strengths exceeding 100 pounds. Is it reasonable to replace a lost shackle with a multi-turn lashing of small stuff heaved taut with a marlin spike? 10 or 15 turns would be strong enough to hold a half ton I think.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,348
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Ross, extra line like that is fine, but I question,

like Joseph did, why spare parts weren't (seemingly) available - easy for me to say, but I've got bits and pieces we've "gathered" over the years to be able to rig replacement stuff almost all over. I do agree that when I first read the story, N&E, that I would have stayed put that first night until the issue was resolved. Glad you made out OK. The Good News: your NEXT cruise is almost guaranteed to be better! :):):) Also, it's not necessarily "sea" experience, Ross, it can happen right outside your marina, anywhere the boat's floating. We've all heard stories of how "bad" it can get "out there", Kitty, and it doesn't have to be in the ocean. The Gulf, the Chesapeake, our SF Bay, and many others, can get nasty. And don't forget, so many dismastings have been reported to have occurred when the "wind was ONLY 7 knots..." It happens...
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I have extra shackle pins and cotters and shackles

and nuts and bolts and all the other junk that might as well be on the boat rather then back at the house when I need it.I was just wondering if a lashing would be a fair substitute for a shackle.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,348
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Should be as long as it's not Sta Set, which,

stupid me years ago used for halyards. :):):) Yikes!
 
Jun 8, 2004
3,011
Catalina 320 Dana Point
I've had to do it more times than would do

my reputation as a sailor any good, Ross. I've quickly lashed small stuff in place of shackles successfully but only till I had enough time to rummage for a part. Most times seems you'd have to keep a constant eye on it and replace for chafe and wear real frequent where it contacts metal. Even held a gooseneck pin in for a short time once.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
I was not advocating a lashing as a substitute

for proper hardware but as a sound jury rig tool. Small stuff wrapped around well rounded points will last quite well but around hard corners it could chafe through quickly.
 
Dec 8, 2007
478
Irwin 41 CC Ketch LaConner WA
Great job N and E

Wow what an ordeal....I for one am glad you posted it...it affirms too me why im going to rig a baby stay on Eagle Knight.... My first thought was what you eventually tried ...and that was to retention it with a line through the bow roller or another block and a line to a winch...That might have saved your foil and allowed you to roll her up if done right away and freed up your spinnaker halyard which would have given you a better wrap job on your flogging sail ...but who knows... I have just installed a new head stay...Im more nervous now with the now new untried one then with the old one...That will pass after launch and few sails or more likely the first gale..but I feel for ya...an expensive trip... BFWIW...You will be talking and laughing about this trip more then 10 others...thats just the way it is..We call all our families fiasco's...bonding experiences..as they truly are.:D
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Nice job..

Nice job on keeping the spar upright! For future reference (tips I've collected over many years): #1 Never use undersized cotter pins (not that you did)! Just like a clevis pin it should fit snug in the hole into which you install it with NO slop. Pins with "slop" can chafe and or sheer off.. #2 Always physically inspect your rigging at least once or twice per year or season! #3 When installing cotter pins ALWAYS bend them WHEN you install them BEFORE moving on to the next one! Doing anything other than this will cause you to forget to bend one over..! #4 Always put a slight pre-bend in the pin before installation that requires the pliers to pinch it back closed to install it. By doing this it ensures that even if you do mess up, and forget to bend it, it has enough spread in the pin to hold for a short time sufficiently. If you never install a perfectly straight cotter pin into a clevis pin that is a good thing!!!! #5 Get in the habbit of taping ALL cotter pin locations! This does a few things: A) It requires you to physically inspect each pin before wrapping it with tape and ensures EVERY pin is properly bent over! Think of this as the "Inspected By" tag you always find in a new pair of jeans.. B) It keeps the pins tight and free from movement. C) It keep your toes from getting stabbed by a sharp pin and your lines & sheets from getting snagged by one. #6 If all you have on board is an undersized pin, install it but always wrap it with a different color tape!! I use red! This alerts you, and will act as a reminder, to BUY the right size cotter pin..! I use white tape for inspected and finished cotter pins. #7 Spares... turnbuckles, cotter pins, halyard line, blocks, clevis pins etc... They could save your spar! #8 Never, ever, ever use an aluminum cotter pin on a stainless clevis pin! You probably already know most of this but it may serve someone else.. You did well and I'm sure you will learn much from this mishap. It always hurts the pride more than the wallet.. Wait this is a boat I have that backwards!!!
 
Mar 28, 2007
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Oday 23 Anna Maria Isl.
Post title should be "the great and the good"

If those trips were easy and predictable you would hate it! Like being in an office cubicle with a sunburn. I am typing with one hand, with the other I have raised a cold Heiny in your honor-cheers N&E! Good job on getting it home.
 
Nov 26, 2006
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Hunter 31 1987 Fly Creek Marina Fairhope,AL.
the good the bad

Phil, im sure there varying experince levels but those who have had to improvise will agree i think , that you got her home safely and that is to be commended. I will also go a bit further and say that if i had to deliver a boat/ take a cruise/ or hire a captain for delivery, that he or she have the knowledge and stammina required to do just what you did. " GETTING HER HOME SAFELY ". glad to hear your back in safe harbor.
 
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