The CONE of Alcatraz

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Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I just watched the "replay" of the LV Cup Race #7 on TV, where the Kiwis beat the Italians to go up 6 - 1 in the series.

Gee, you'd think they could have figured out that it gets WINDIER as the day progresses.

The reason for this post is to simply point out the basic stupidity of the announcers when they talk about the "Cone of Alcatraz" during the early portions of the broadcast.

Aerial views show the course is SOUTH of Alcatraz. The wind generally comes from a basic W direction, mostly during these summer months even some SW.

So the "CONE" (which means its LEE) has to be EAST of the island, NOT south of it. Which, for those of us who sail here, it IS. One "hides" behind Alcatraz or uses the currents to ones advantage when actually racing in monohulls.

The effect of a current of one to two knots on boats doing 54 miles per hour on FOILS (gag me!) is negligible.

The BS spouted by the announcers is really disappointing. They got the currents wrong, they used the phrase "ebb TIDE" repeatedly (apologies to jazz musicians :doh:) but eventually figured out that they should use the word current instead of tide.

But boy, are they lame.

The ONE guy who KNOWS what's happening on The Bay is Kimball Livingston. He "wrote the book" on The Bay, called, interestingly enough "Sailing The Bay" and I guess the only reason they didn't have him on camera enough is that they claimed he didn't smile enough, and/or he would have caught them out.

Given the BS they spout during the racing commentary, I don't blame him.

Our local baseball announcers, Kruik & Kuipe (Giants), and Korach & Catroneo (As), could do a LOT better, and they don't know squat about sailing.

Really lame announcing and displays. They have great graphics, but they keep doing "inside" shots of guys racing across trampolines when the MOST important graphic TO VIEWERS of the races should be the aerial view of the BOATS, not the helmeted crew, at the marks.

I had expected a much better presentation, given all the technology that Stan Honey has developed. Geez: meters ahead or behind when nautical miles would suffice but were never mentioned, and constant Knots vs MPH.

I sure hope they get better announcers and commentary for the AC in September.
 
Nov 18, 2012
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Ericson 35 Mk III Marina Del Rey
I believe that they are talking about the current, not the wind, when they talk about the cone from Alcatraz Island.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
WADR, on a flood, it is the same. Think about it.

On an ebb it's ONLY the wind.

West wind, east setting flood current, same directions.
 

DannyS

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May 27, 2004
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Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
I was actually very excited about watching the LV/Americas Cup races. Enough to look into a quick trip to San Fran to see some in person (not gonna happen). But after watching a few races, I've gotten very bored and disinterested, very quickly. Not trying to hijack this thread but the common theme is disappointment. The entire race happens in the two minutes prior to the start. Not one race that I've watched has there been a lead change. If you win the dash to the first mark, you've basically won the race.
I'd like the AC to go back to the 45's. There were many more challengers and the fleet races were really fun to watch.
 
Aug 15, 2012
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Precision 21 Newburyport MA
They were talking about the current when they talking about the cone. They even mentioned that there is almost a wake caused by the current going past the island. Also, one of the racers said flood tide.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Stu;

They aren't going 54 mph upwind, ever. They use the cone to give them flat water to beat back up course. Just like your boat, they go faster if they don't have to buck whitecaps. And when the bay ebb tides against those 20+ knot westerlies, well you know what happens - square waves.

We visited last week and the live local action was spectacular ('the Kiwi stuff', "Oracle runs down a mooring buoy and rips off her rudder"). Even my wife caught the foiling fever! I suggest watching the live race with the AC app play by play on headphones, very good.

The LV is likely to end today with the final Kiwi win. Live on the AC You Tube at 1545 hrs (EDT).
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
5,074
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
SF Bay model

Stu,
Does the Bay model still exist?
When I lived there, there was a scale model of the bay at gate 4 or 5 in Sausalito. It was huge!
It was a fantastic place to spend hours and hours when they ran tests, with different colors inserted into the current flows and a great way to understand what happens in the bay as the tide progressed. It was open to all without charge.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Yes, it's still there in Sausalito. And Kame Richards still does lectures. Great stuff.
 
Dec 26, 2012
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MacGregor 25 San Diego
You have to keep in mind that those announcers are NOT there to entertain sailors. They are there to excite tv viewers, the vast majority of whom are not sailors. A lot of times announcers have to kinda shoot from the hip to keep the momentum going and keep people interested. Have you ever tried to talk for an hour straight without pause to an audience that doesn't speak back? It's a lot harder than you think.

Also keep in mind, not only do you have to be constantly talking, as well as entertaining and up beat, you also cant ever speak poorly of anyone even if they are losing by miles. You can critique mistakes, but you have to walk a very fine line. The people paying you are paying millions for this show, and the big sponsor logos on the boats are paying a LOT more. It sucks to lose, but being trash talked by the announcer as well is just unacceptable, and that announcer would be out of a job quick. Same goes for any kind of negative comment about anything in the event.

From reading the posts about AC on here and many other places, I dont think a single one of you could do those announcers jobs, since it seems all most can do is complain and point out the negative.
 
Aug 11, 2013
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Catalina 36 San Diego
The ONE guy who KNOWS what's happening on The Bay is Kimball Livingston. He "wrote the book" on The Bay, called, interestingly enough "Sailing The Bay" and I guess the only reason they didn't have him on camera enough is that they claimed he didn't smile enough, and/or he would have caught them out.
Great book! His knowledge of the bay and love for sailing there really shine through.

As for the AC, we'll be there for the finals. In spite of the disappointment some are feeling, I'm really looking forward to seeing it!
 
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