The Cause Of Accidents Like This

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BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
203
Hunter 450 Unspecified
Just read an article of a 70' with 7' draft that was making 6 knts when it tried sailing over a rock with only 4 ' of water above it. At high tide. Now it's just a $2.4M wreck.

I would hope that would never be me. So what explains things like that ? Inattentive skipper or something else? The article doesn't say.
 
Mar 6, 2012
357
Hunter H33 (limited edition cabin top) Bayou Chico
depends, couldve been a not-very-well charted area, at night, always have a guide or do it during the day when you can see stuff like that.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I assume you are talking about the boat in Penobscot Bay.

Accidents happen all the time. This just happened to be a big boat. Rich guys crash their cars, just like little guys do. It only takes a second of inattentiveness. Like typing the word 'cause'.... ;^)
 

BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
203
Hunter 450 Unspecified
Yes like typing "cause". Tried like heck to go back and edit that but could not.

Collision was at mid day.
 

Kermit

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Jul 31, 2010
5,722
AquaCat 12.5 17342 Wateree Lake, SC
So, did you edit "cause?" It looks fine to me.
 
May 11, 2005
3,431
Seidelman S37 Slidell, La.
Hmmmmm

A licensed captain or a charter boat. Mid day. Nice weather. Makes ya wonder what good licensing casual sailors would accomplish.
 
Jul 19, 2013
186
Hunter 33 New Orleans
Just looked at the photos, such a nice boat. The force of the impact took the rig down, lucky no one was killed.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
a Hylas 70 Ouch!

Anyone else surprised the rig came down?

in the islands I can understand this, since there's a lot of uncharted reefs and rocks. but in Maine, that should be on the charts.

-Captain has some 'splaining to do...
 
Oct 25, 2011
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Island Packet IP31 Lake St. Louis, Montreal
All it takes is a second of inattention. Happeend to me this summer, at the end of our vacation, there is a channel we need to folow to get into our part of the lake. I've been through this channel literaly hundreds of times.

After I turned at the dog leg, I could not figure ou why the other boats (all power) kept going straight. It was only after looking at the depth sounder and seeing 4' on the display that it dawned on me that I had turned too early.

We did not touch and the only damage was a scratch on the old ego.

Cheers

Matt
 
Apr 22, 2009
342
Pearson P-31 Quantico
yes! More government involvement!

A licensed captain or a charter boat. Mid day. Nice weather. Makes ya wonder what good licensing casual sailors would accomplish.
I am glad this is in New England. Yes, more government involvement will definitely make us safer. And if it doesn't, we can always stand back like a herd of sheep as the black-booted thugs search house to house without a warrant. (A reference to baaaa, baaaa, baaaaston.)
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Guys this is Maine the home of 10' 20'+ foot tides, very strong currents and rocks and ledges spattered about right in the middle of a good straight shot somewhere. they are often thrown out by mother nature (glaciers) like popcorn on the floor of a Ground Round.......

In Maine even a moment of inattention can cause such a mishap to occur. The boat had reportedly just left Camden on a charter. Charter guests can be very demanding especially the types who can afford to charter a boat such as Archangle.. On an outgoing tide the set and drift could have easily put them on that ledge even if the captain took his eyes off the course for a few moments. On top of all that it was reported that the lobster pots were thick and heavy through that area and they had been dodging them.

Having sailed through this passage a number of times I can tell you that it can be a very deceiving approach compared to what you actually take to cut through there. Hard to explain and more one of those "you'd need to be there to understand" situations.

While I have never had an issue passing through there it is simply one of the MANY obstacles that get hit in Maine each year. Even a 70 footer is not going to move solid Maine granite and something has to give, usually the boat. This is not the first paid captain to hit ledge in Maine and certainly will not be the last. We have had one schooner captain go up on ledges twice, the Portland fire boat and many, many others.. Not a week goes by in the summer when I don't hear of or see a boat on a ledge in Maine. In one summer I had three of my customers mortgage a ledge in Maine. In every situation current, lobster pots and a few moments of inattention all culminated in the accident. In two of them the electronic charts were off and paper was being used. When you are talking feet, not meters, to miss a ledge a plotter can certainly have an advantage over paper.. I have to suspect Archangle was simply a culmination of events that led to this. One thing I see over and over is "I've been through there a hundred times and never hit.". Often a comfort level with an area builds complacency.. Perhaps there was a little of that involved here...

Even Tom, a member here and a VERY, VERY experienced cruiser has hit that ledge. It is a VERY popular ledge to hit here in Maine. It does not help that this ledge is right smack dab in a perfectly good lay line across PenBay...

The good new is we have excellent marine services up here and Archangle was off that ledge in less than 24 hours. Accidents happen....

I would urge any of you questioning how this can happen to come sail in Maine for a season....:D

I was at the fuel dock at Billings Marine this summer when a guy across from me from MD in a very expensive "blue water boat" snottily and smugly looked down his nose at our boat and said:

Him: "How many lobster pots do you catch per day on that spade rudder?"

Me: "Why have you caught any with your prop in the protected aperture?"

Him: "Only three since we've been in PenBay... I am a LICENSED CAPTAIN and never seen such a mess on the water as Maine has." (He made very sure to tell/brag about his "captains license" so everyone on the dock could hear him....)

Me: "How long have you been here?"

Him: "Three days. I imagine your boat must be a magnet for them.?"

Me: "I caught one two years ago but I live and cruiser here. How you sail amongst them makes a measurable difference over rudder type.."

Me: "What's that?" (pointing to a large three strand chunk of line on his bow that looked like a mooring pendant)

Him: "Oh that , I got a mooring pendant wrapped around my prop at Frenchboro Island and had to cut it free. The guy helping me accidentally popped my dinghy with his knife." (accidentally for sure.;))

Me: "Well enjoy your trip to Maine, and watch out for those pots."

My Wife: "Holy expletive what a tool. That guy is unsafe and should not ever have come to Maine."

Me: "It takes all kinds I guess. He apparently knows all the answers but none of the questions.. Too bad his theory on spade vs. aperture didn't work out so well."

Old Man Working At Billings: "You know if it weren't for those type of folks we'd not have nearly as many boats to repair. Guys like him, are good for us."
(my wife, myself and the old guy on the dock all burst out laughing......)

My only point in this is to suggest that sailing Maine can not be summed up easily or mastered from couch-theory. Reading all the books and theorizing how it will roll does not tell the whole story will not make it as easy as many from away, as the guy above, assume it is.....

I don't judge the captain of Archangel for anything more than a few moments of inattention and an error in judgement, something any of us could do, especially on the Maine coast.....
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Some do it on bigger boats ...

We all know about the Concordia, the Exxon Valdez, and then there are the Washington State ferries. Just for the heck of it I was looking up to find a news article about one of the recent WA ferry groundings and came across a new one that just happened a week ago!

How does this happen? These guys run the same route every hour of every day, but still…. oh, and they are LICENSED CAPTAINS.

Check out this Bainbridge Island ferry video:
http://www.insidebainbridge.com/2013/10/24/ferry-heading-to-bainbridge-nearly-runs-aground-in-fog/

What the video doesn't show is there is a small rocky island right along it's course and that wasn't shown!
http://www.insidebainbridge.com/2013/10/24/ferry-heading-to-bainbridge-nearly-runs-aground-in-fog/

Fortunately, I have an ADMIRAL (yes, it's in all Caps) who uses her iPad and her ~$14.95 app to keep me out of trouble!
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
"The ROCK"

Using an iPad with something like a ~$14.95 app I was able to bring up the ROCK hit by the "Archangle". Took a screen shot of it with an iPhone people can see what the neighborhood looks like.

The rock in question is assumed to be the red spot just under the "K" in "ROCK" because it has a +3 beside it (very hard to see in the photo). I assume this is the one because the article talked about 4 feet and this is the only one that seems to fit. If someone finds further information please comment.

I could have zoomed in much closer but then one wouldn't be able to see what is in the area so it was a tradeoff.

Note the scale in the lower right-hand corner.

Disclaimer: Not to be used for navigation.
 

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BayMan

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Sep 12, 2012
203
Hunter 450 Unspecified
To those of you who said a moment of in attention may have caused this - I assume you mean not watching the chart plotter. I assume the Rock 4' under the water was invisible from the boat.

I am in Great Lakes so don't contend with current and tide. Kind of scaring me.
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,216
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Boot up GeoGarage (http://marine.geogarage.com/routes) and go to 44 deg, 11 min N and 68 deg, 58 min W.. Check out how much better (in my opinion) you can see this at various zoom levels on the "real" chart instead of the vector one..
I was lucky enough to daysail in Casco Bay with Roger a couple of years ago and was amazed at how much bottom variation there is compared to our shallow but mostly benign water here in the Pontchartrain and the Gulf Coast. Hitting mud or sand is not so worrisome as hitting granite!
Looks like he cut the corner a little close.. that is one of those "There but for the grace of God go I " things..
 
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