I really appreciate all responses. I did check out Don Guillette's "Sail Trim" forum and have printed up a bunch of his stuff. I do have a centerboard boat, so I should probably make sure the centerboard is going down all the way. Perhaps a knot in the line when she's all the way down will be a good telltail. I'm still curious how close to the wind I should expect to get if all is tuned as well as it can be. Quick note to Don Evans; Don, my family has an island on Georgian Bay just south of 12 Mile Bay. Perhaps next summer I could buy you lunch and pick your brain on all the cute things you've done with your boat. I've enjoyed all your postings and photos. Particularly like the mahogany rudder. I might be building my own soon, as mine is warped and the fiberglass is not in great shape.