Testing out my jump starter…

circa1971la

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Hi I have a portable jump starter (Schumacher SJ1332 Rechargeable AGM Jump Starter for Gas Diesel Vehicles - 1200 Amps). I’d like to test it if will start my Yanmar diesel 2YM15 in case my batteries ever died. To test this can I disconnect the cables from my battery and connect them to the cables of this jump starter? Thank you !
 

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jssailem

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Sounds like a logical approach. Positive to positive. Negative to negative. Like sticking a new battery into the system. Be sure the connectors of mot cross touch or that in starting the positive slide about and contact the engine.
 
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I agree - sounds good. Be sure not to disconnect the jump pack until you shut the engine down, or you risk damaging your alternator depending on how it’s wired.
 
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sailme88

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NO !! you need to keep the batteries connected to the alternator.. After the engine fires the alternator will be producing electricity. With the batteries out of the loop the power will have no place to go. This is like turning off the key before pulling the engine stop...
 
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dLj

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sailme88 said:
NO !! you need to keep the batteries connected to the alternator.. After the engine fires the alternator will be producing electricity. With the batteries out of the loop the power will have no place to go. This is like turning off the key before pulling the engine stop...
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As @davidasailor said, just don't take the jump cables off until you shut down the engine. The alternator will be charging the jump start battery.

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sailme88 said:
NO !! you need to keep the batteries connected to the alternator.. After the engine fires the alternator will be producing electricity. With the batteries out of the loop the power will have no place to go. This is like turning off the key before pulling the engine stop...
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The alternator excites its field by sensing the voltage from the battery (or whatever it’s connected to). If it’s connected to the jump pack it’ll sense the jump pack voltage and excite its field enough to bring the voltage up to ~14.3V.

The trouble comes when the alternator is charging and you suddenly disconnect it. In that case the moving electrons suddenly have nowhere to go, and they blow out the diodes.
 
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dLj said:
As @davidasailor said, just don't take the jump cables off until you shut down the engine. The alternator will be charging the jump start battery.

dj
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Davidasailor26 said:
The alternator excites its field by sensing the voltage from the battery (or whatever it’s connected to). If it’s connected to the jump pack it’ll sense the jump pack voltage and excite its field enough to bring the voltage up to ~14.3V.

The trouble comes when the alternator is charging and you suddenly disconnect it. In that case the moving electrons suddenly have nowhere to go, and they blow out the diodes.
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This assumes there is not a blocking diode on the cables that prevents charging the battery from the cables.

If the house and start batteries are isolated and the alternator feeds the house batteries, then disconnecting the start battery and using the jump pack to start the engine will be fine.

Of course prudent battery management in a well designed electrical system with a good system monitor will eliminate the need for a jump pack.
 
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dlochner said:
This assumes there is not a blocking diode on the cables that prevents charging the battery from the cables.
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If there is a blocking diode on the jump pack cable, and the alternator is configured to use the start battery cable as the sense, then the field will excite just enough to bring the cable up to charging voltage. Still shouldn’t do any harm - the alternator will just be hardly excited, generating just enough power to hold the cable at voltage. Basically like having a fully charged battery there.

I agree that if the alternator is wired to the house bank there’s no risk anyway.
 
kloudie1

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If you can see and easily access the large "hot" starter lead, you can connect the jumper positive there and avoid the losses in connections and cabling.. The negative would go to the engine block or an attached bracket..
 
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BarryL

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Hello,

You don't need to disconnect BOTH cables from the engine battery. I would leave the negative on the engine battery, disconnect the positive from the battery, and use the jump pack cables to connect positive to the positive, and negative to the engine battery negative.

Barry
 
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LloydB

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" I’d like to test it if will start my Yanmar diesel 2YM15 in case my batteries ever died." it is a booster not a replacer so keep in mind if you have a dead short on your start circuit that will also short out the jumpstart if you connect it.
 
Ward H

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Consider the engine has a dumb alternator/regulator and just the normal Bat 1, Bat 2, Both, Off switch.
Engine starts and Alt starts pumping volts and amps.
Without a dead battery to absorb this energy, the alt is sending it to the jump pack.
What does that do to the jump pack?
 
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Ward H said:
Consider the engine has a dumb alternator/regulator and just the normal Bat 1, Bat 2, Both, Off switch.
Engine starts and Alt starts pumping volts and amps.
Without a dead battery to absorb this energy, the alt is sending it to the jump pack.
What does that do to the jump pack?
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From the jump pack’s perspective it’ll be connected to a voltage source providing about 14.3 V. That’s no different than being connected to a full battery on a charger.
 
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LaDonaMina

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I have the Jeep JumpBooster and use it on the H285 and on my Sea Ray. When I start the engine it stays on till I remove the booster several minutes later with no ill effects to the ignition system or to the jump booster. Not sure what many are saying regarding doing damage to the system/booster. The jump booster I have also has the alternator test indicator that monitors the system for problems and it’s never highlighted any issues. The screen grab is for the Dewalt unit but the Jeep is the rebranded version I have.


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LaDonaMina said:
I have the Jeep JumpBooster and use it on the H285 and on my Sea Ray. When I start the engine it stays on till I remove the booster several minutes later with no ill effects to the ignition system or to the jump booster. Not sure what many are saying regarding doing damage to the system/booster.
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If you have a battery connected there’s no harm at all from removing the booster. The battery will continue to absorb the charging current so there won’t be any voltage spike.

The risk comes in if the boost pack is absorbing current recharging itself and then is disconnected with no parallel battery to absorb that current. If the pack is already recharged before disconnecting there shouldn’t be much risk either - in that case there’s no big current being suddenly dumped.
 
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LaDonaMina

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This sounds contrary to most car mechanics that told me one way to check the alternator or battery for faults is to start the car and disconnect the negative terminal off the battery and if the car continues to run the alternator if functioning fine. If the car stalls and dies the alternator if faulty and needs either the diodes/regulator replaced and or entire alternator replaced. This should be about the same with the boat alternator although I’ve never done that. Usually just boost it with the jump starter and then remove it after it’s running.
 
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dLj

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LaDonaMina said:
This sounds contrary to most car mechanics that told me one way to check the alternator or battery for faults is to start the car and disconnect the negative terminal off the battery and if the car continues to run the alternator if functioning fine. If the car stalls and dies the alternator if faulty and needs either the diodes/regulator replaced and or entire alternator replaced. This should be about the same with the boat alternator although I’ve never done that. Usually just boost it with the jump starter and then remove it after it’s running.
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In a car with a lot of electronics that run the car that may work. If running an older diesel that is not computer controlled it would tell you nothing and could potentially blow your diodes depending upon what current was coming out of the alternator at the moment you pull the negative off.

dj
 
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Scott T-Bird

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I think these portable jump starters are just the dumbest idea. If you are smart about maintaining your batteries, you will never need it. Don't bother testing it, you should never need it ...
 
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JoeWhite

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If this helps, let me tell my story on my M35B Universal engine.
The alternator bracket broke and I replaced it. The new bracket was heavily painted including its mounting hole to the engine. Shortly after I installed it the alternator failed. The reason was that the painted hole provided unreliable ground to the engine cutting off the current and causing damage to the alternator. When I replaced the alternator I also ran a #6 wire from its ground lug to the battery shunt.
So interrupting alternator current will damage it.
 
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