Telltales

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Jack

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Jan 30, 2008
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Hunter 33 -
Hi Don,
We have a fractional rig with in mast furling, so the main power for the boat is the mainsail. We only have telltales on the jib so this year i want to add them to the main. Where on the sail is the best placement and how many do you think I will need?

Thanks
Jack
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
low, mid and high on the trailing edge (leach). Correctly set and going to windward they should stream straight back from the sail. That does not mean they are all streaming in one direction as sail twist needs to be accounted for.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
I dont have a copy of Don's Sail Trim Guide handy ... I always give them away as gifts.
So,


& doesnt matter if fractional or mast head, the relative positions are the same.

For the leech tales you can use a single tale trailing AT the leech instead of one one each side of the leech as in the pic for very precise (racing) usage.

In the pic, the row of tales at "T" is used to very precisely steer the boat ... can be a longer T-row with many more tales in-line when used with a roller-furler configuration so that you always have an exposed 'steering row' to follow.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Yup, add the ones at the middle of the main. And don't be afraid of sailing with a little bubble on the leeward side of the main, especially if you have a big genoa, and a deep draft main.

Usually if you have a deep main it means you have a big genoa for usually light airs.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Jack: StuJ, RichH and BillR have provided the placement info, which is also contained on the telltale package purchased from any marine store.

Sadly, probably half the sailboats worldwide don't have telltales on their sails -- how they set their sails without them is beyond me. I can't and I know what I'm looking for!! In order for me to get that last little bit of effeciency out of the main and jib I need the telltales.

When I'm invited on to a sailors boat to help them with sail trim or a sailor asks me a question by phone, my first question to them is "do you have telltales on your main and jib?". Most of the time the answer is NO. If they indicate they have telltales, my second question is "do you know how to read them?". I devote about 7 pages in my book to reading telltales. I've been on race boats that don't have telltales and they wonder why they are middle to back of the pack finishers. The lack of telltales is my first clue. With the inexpensive addition of telltales and the ability to read them a mate can move up 2 or 3 positions.

I'm at the other end of the spectrum from the mates without telltales -- I have them all over the place. The set I especially like are located on the shrouds. I use that set to get me "in the groove". It's the first set I look at because if I'm not in the groove most adjustments to the telltales are ineffective. I then look at my jib telltales (masthead rig) and the set I concentrate on are the middle ones. Next I check the mainsail telltales and the one I concentrate on is the top one. That's my "twist" indicator. It takes me less time to go through that check process than it took to write this paragraph!!

I think any sailmaker worth his salt should automatically add telltales to the sails they sell but a lot don't. My sail bag always contains telltale material so when I go aboard I have them available in the event the owner does not have them. I use a roll of tomato plant tape!!! Whatever works for me I use. The owner can replace it later, and most do, AFTER they find out how effective they are when setting sail trim.

Here's a quick tip. Suppose you're sailing closehauled and the inside telltale starts to flip - what do you do first? Suppose you're sailing closehauled and the outside telltales starts to flip -- what do you do first? Easy, if the inside telltale is flipping then TRIM IN the jib sheet until it stops flipping. If the outside telltale is flipping EASE OUT the jib sheet until it stops flipping. After they are streaming you can fine tune.

No non-electronic devise has been developed that approaches the sensitivity and effectiveness of mainsail and jib telltales but they're useless if you don't know how to read what they are telling you.
 

Squidd

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Sep 26, 2011
890
AMF Alcort Paceship PY26 Washburn Wi. Apostle Islands
That's alot of tell tales on the pic...probably more than I need as a "non-racer"

I have none on at present, just picked up 6 "pair" of reg/green tape on yarns...

What would be the best/most usefull placement of 6 pair to start with...

I can always add more once I'm comfortable with the info load I'm getting from these...

(No instructions in my packet ???)
 

Squidd

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Sep 26, 2011
890
AMF Alcort Paceship PY26 Washburn Wi. Apostle Islands
I'm thinking 2, 5 alittle further back and 8 on jib and 10, 12, 14 on main..??
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
I'd recommend 1, T, and 7 on the jib and 10, 12, and 14 moved to the leach on the mainsail as the minimum initial setup.
You want an indication of how the air is entering the jib and leaving the main. The telltales inbetween are nice but take some greater bit of understand to interperate.
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Don, there is a current post on telltales for an Asymmetrical. Including placement on the sail. Have you ever seen this before? I have not seen it on any asyms around here. Not that there are a great number. LOL But it sounds intriguing. Your thoughts.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Nodak7: Where is the post? RichH, Alan and Joe from San Diego are the experts in this catagory. I'm good with a jib mainly because beginners have enough trouble with the jib and the assymetrical is just overload.

How's the sailing in ND been lately!!!!!!!!
 

Nodak7

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Sep 28, 2008
1,256
Hunter 41DS Punta Gorda, FL
Nodak7: Where is the post? RichH, Alan and Joe from San Diego are the experts in this catagory. I'm good with a jib mainly because beginners have enough trouble with the jib and the assymetrical is just overload.

How's the sailing in ND been lately!!!!!!!!
If you count in my dreams it has been awesome. In reality the boat is just sitting on its trailer waiting to be played with. The lake just froze over on the 19th (record late freeze up) so I am hoping for an early thaw. Hopefully we could break a record for being out on the lake this year (before April 22nd). :cry: :cry:
 
Apr 19, 1999
1,670
Pearson Wanderer Titusville, Florida
I use red surveyors flagging tape for mainsail telltales. It streams well in the lightest air (even when wet) is easy to see and at about a buck a roll will last forever even if you made new telltales every time you went sailing. I tie about an 18 to 24-inch piece into each batten pocket.
 
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