Tacking

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May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Here's how I tack a boat. Others probably have a different approach but this one works for me. First thing is both jib trimmers and the mainsheet/traveler trimmer must be ready for the tack. Sounds silly but it is not The loaded sheet should be off the horn and have maybe 3 wraps. Make sure no one is standing or sitting on the sheet. That sound silly to until you get half way through the tack and find out someone is sitting on the line. The unloaded sheet should have one or two wraps and all excess line is taken up plus the winch handle is inserted. He's just sitting there waiting. The driver gives the command and the boats starts to come up. The winch handle is removed on the loaded sheet. The loaded sheet is held until the boat passes head to wind and the sail backwinds. VERY IMPORTANT (I'll bet 80% of the sailors out there do not perform this step): It is the responsibility of the loaded trimmer to call the break in the sail. At some point just before head to wind the top or bottom of the jib will break (flutter). Depending on which part of the sail breaks first determines which way the unloaded trimmer is going to move the fairlead. At the farthest part of the backwind point (your no longer getting any pushing from the sail)the loaded jib trimmer cuts the jib sheet. An easy way to do it is to just pull the sheet straight up as if you were raising your arm. If you have a self tailer you can spin the line off. At this point the unloaded trimmer has moved the fairlead and inserted his winch handle and starts slowly (I don't mean at a snails pace but not in a wild manner) cranking in the excess line. The other trimmer leaves his position and becomes the line tailer. While all this is going on and when the boat is head to wind the mainsheet/traveler trimmer moves the traveler car to the same position but on the other side of the track. This is especially important if you have a curved track traveler as on the older Catalinas. The car is a bear to move when under load. At head to wind there is no load and the traveler car is easy to move. Now the new loaded jib trimmer proceeds to trim the jib. The mainsheet/traveler trimmer does NOTHING until the jib is trimmed. Then he trims the mainsail. The lazy jib trimmer now moves his fairlead car to the same position as the other car (how many of you do that?)and takes 2 wraps and now he is ready for the next tack. This probably seems complicated but after you do it once it is a snap and takes less than 30 seconds to perform. It really is a joy to see the 3 trimmers, who know what they are doing, go through this function. It is like a dance step!!
 
May 6, 2004
916
Hunter 37C Seattle
Don's method would be slow on my boat

As Don said : "First thing is both jib trimmers and the mainsheet/traveler trimmer must be ready for the tack. Sounds silly but it is not." So I would have to go back to the dock and round up two more crew! One of my jib trimmers is my left arm and the other jib trimmer is my right arm and my traveler trimmer is my teeth ( made that the last part up). I sail with one crew who is my "look out" because that is what she usually yells after I tack.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Don, That sounds wonderful ! the next time Nancy and I are out on our boat

I will see if she can get her alter egos to do all those things. But most of the time I am the trimmer and she has the helm.
 

Mike B

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Apr 15, 2007
1,013
Beneteau 43 Baltimore, MD
Me, myself and I

Ross, I'm with you the whole way. My helmsman and trimmers are "Me, Myself and I". Getting all three to listen to me requires quite a bit of work though :) All while my "Constant Advisor" blocks my access to the winches and grumbles when I pull the lazy sheet from under her butt. Mike
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Mike, Just to hijack this thread a little. I was in Perryville

today and if you have occassion to go out on the bay soon proceed with caution. The Susquehanna is still high and full of fire wood of all sizes. Some of it looks like old tires. ;)
 
Jun 9, 2004
165
Hunter 37-cutter San Francisco Bay
A normal crew

We usually just have the two of us on board our 37cutter, and are not racing even though we want to go fast, so we keep it simple: -- The helm is responsible for the "loaded trimmer" winch, and the setup you describe is a about right for most conditions; -- The crew handles the unloaded trimmer winch, initially with about two wraps to make the haul-in easier, then taking one or two more. We usually do NOT install the handle until after we come about and the initial haul-in is done; -- The crew hauls then cranks the jib sheet in to the proper tension, then moves to the mainsheet and makes adjustments as needed; -- The staysail is self-tacking and usually needs little adjustment. If the point of sail is changed then the best trim is usually reached by working from the jib back through the staysail to the main. We often fine-tume after the tack. For us, it is usually all the helm can do to keep control, release the loaded trimmer and make sure it runs cleanly, and watch out for problems. And not trip. Success is measured in the smoothness of the tack, and maintenance of speed. But what the heck, we're cruising, not racing... Sanders
 

Mike B

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Apr 15, 2007
1,013
Beneteau 43 Baltimore, MD
Not just yet

Ross, thanks for the heads up but I won't be heading out until early May when we return to the Sassafras from Baltimore. I was out two weekends ago helping a friend move his boat to Annapolis and there was quite a bit of tree branches in the water. Mike
 
Feb 5, 2008
37
CS CS30 Toronto
Just one crew

I usually sail with just one crew (sometimes the admiral). Here's what works for me. Before tacking: The helmsman and holds the lazy jib sheet with 3 turns on the winch. The crew cleat down the lazy side of the traveller. At tacking: Helmsman heads the boat to wind. The crew release the loaded jib sheet when the sail is backwind thus no load. The crew adjust the traveller, no load at that time. The helmsman pull the working jib sheet while controlling the wheel. When the crew finished cleating down the traveller he/she take over the working jib sheet and grinds away to trim. Worked for years. No problem. Same sequence for solo, just a bit slower.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Single handed Tacking

Well, we all had fun with that thread. I singlehanded 95% of the time, even when we had guests on board, but it was fun to get them involved and most wanted to participate. If you are a beer can racer and middle to back of the pack try my suggestion and see if it works for you. No matter how many crew you have or if you are singlehanded and have a peg leg and one arm pay attention to the break of the sail and adjust your fairleads accordingly. Eatdrinkhealthy had a good tacking plan.
 

Ray T

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Jan 24, 2008
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Hunter 216 West End - Seven Lakes
I had a Cal 227 when I was racing on the Chesapeak, I was the helmsman and also trimmed the main. Immediatly prior to the tack I would release the traveller down to its new position the crew Of 2 would handle the genoa. After the tack we would fine tune the traveller. When my wife was with me for a daysail I left the traveller in the center position. Ray T
 
Dec 8, 2007
478
Irwin 41 CC Ketch LaConner WA
My job

My job varies with each tack..as young fingers get caught ...pinched... winch Handel droped..you name it...I am just there to provide dammage control and try not to yell... Its soposto be fun right..:)
 

Taylor

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Feb 9, 2006
113
Warwick Cardinal 46 Seattle, WA
Which way to move the fairlead.

> Depending on which part of the sail breaks first determines which way ...to move the fairlead. Let me see if I have this right - if the luff at the top breaks first, move the lead forward to tighten the top? If the bottom breaks first move back?
 
May 5, 2006
1,140
Knutson K-35 Yawl Bellingham
I tack the big boat the same way I tack the little one.

The only difference is the winches I now have and the sail area. Upon preparing to tack, I notify the crew with a "Ready about?". The crew pulls the windward sheet out of the self tailer and the leeward trim or myself if double handing, gets two or more wraps on the leeward winch. Once this occurs, I receive the "Ready" from the crew and holler "Helms alee" as I bring the tiller over. The loaded trimmer holds what he has until the break and then lets the sheet fly. Seeing as it's a 135 Genny up there, we don't pull the soon to be loaded sheet until the Genny starts across. Once that occurs, the new loaded trimmer pulls fast until either the sail is where I want it or they can't pull more. Then the winch handle goes in and we trim. No worries about the traveller as it has no blocks for adjustment, only a free sliding car on the track. Typical tacks on "Oh Joy" take about 20 seconds or so. However, if the Solent stay is up, all bets are off. We have to furl the Genny to tack or send someone forward to feed the big sail through a two foot gap, not much fun. So the Solent or Staysail stay, stays disconnected in anything under 35-40 knots, unless we are expecting a Gale to come up. Then it's up and the Staysail is hanked on.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
I forgot something and it involves the traveler. It is very important to maintain as much speed as you can through the tack. Everyone who is a frequent vister to the SAIL TRIM FORUM knows that the traveler controls the ANGLE OF ATTACK and everyone knows what that is - right? Just before the boat driver starts his turn, the mainsheet/traveler trimmer pull the traveler UP. Why? The answer is that moving the traveler up toward center increase the angle of attack and powers up the boat. That extra bit of speed helps you through the tack. The traveler is a very important sail trim control for the mainsail. To make the traveler easier for me to operate I extended the traveler lines to the helm.
 
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