Suggestions on a first sailboat,

Kper

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Mar 12, 2014
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Catalina 25 Iowa
Just personal opinion but, if I had to raise and lower my mast every time I wanted to sail I would probably talk myself out of it just about every time on anything larger than a Sunfiish. Maybe I just don't have enough time to invest in mast work when I have time to hit the water.
 
Jun 5, 2004
241
Catalina 30 MkII Foss Harbor Marina, Tacoma, WA
...big differences between the masts of many similarly sized boats...my 1st was a Catalina 22, mast was easy to step by myself, 2nd boat was a hunter 23...much taller and heavier mast...stepping it was always quite stressful even with 2, or three. The H23 was stressful enough to convince me to seek moorage for the summer.
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
I own a macgregor 26D, and owned around 10 boats, since age 13. (3rd sailboat hobie, laser, mac)

I would suggest learning on a smaller boat. mistakes happen quicker and are less drastic and expensive.

That said the the Macgregor is one of the easiest boats to trailer an launch. many times I'd launch and see a cat22 / cat 25 rigging when I arrived and still messing about as I was leaving the dock. Mac's were designed to trailer.

if you launch each use, mac's are hard to beat. if you slip it or have mast up storage, then catalina, precision, hunter and other makes would probably be better. -mac's have mast raising kits your wife could use single handily (4:1).

I love the Mac's space in the aft berth. I used calif king sheets. -impossible to find this size berth in less than a 50' and even they they are usually queen beds. But some don't like the lack of headroom.

I got the ruddercraft (ballaced) rudder, which changed the sailing ability and handing 1000%. before it would round up easily. now it handles like a dingy.

the knock on macgregors is they are clorox bottles. very little wood, and spartan.

However many owners modify them to their tastes (see Sumners boat). they can be redone nicely. They are also very lightly built. OTOH, I've never heard of a problem because of structural issues. (in ~11 years). -light is fast...


I would recommend a macgregor 26d or 26s to anyone as a coastal boat.

The newer M is a nice boat for a new sailor, you won't realize how slow they sail, and they are convient. but they are at least double in price due to the engine.

The H260 is a fantastic boat, but very $$$. also its wider than legally allowed to trailer in many places... (but rarely ticketed)

personally, I think I'd get a larger boat for the same money.


GL!
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
Just personal opinion but, if I had to raise and lower my mast every time I wanted to sail I would probably talk myself out of it just about every time on anything larger than a Sunfiish. Maybe I just don't have enough time to invest in mast work when I have time to hit the water.

I usually launch for overnights, since it takes me aroudn 45min to launch and 45 min to retrieve.

That's also why I picked up a laser for the summer when its too hot to overnight. -I did add an window a/c for dock use(companion way), but only get slips a few times a season.
 
Dec 30, 2009
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jeanneau 38 gin fizz sloop Summer- Keyport Yacht Club, Raritan Bay, NJ, Winter Viking Marina Verplanck, NY
This is off topic I can't get in to our site on my computer all of sudden this is I phone it Judy's times out. Red
 
Nov 26, 2012
2,315
Catalina 250 Bodega Bay CA
Bill: You may have overlooked the Catalina 250 for your aft berth size. They are 27' and have a berth so big that at least a king sized elastic bottom sheet must be used or it will pull off! Chief
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Pup tent, or Winnebago?
That is the question. My Hunter 260 friend calls it his Hunterbago. My Mac26S is more like a cave.
i doubt anything trailers as easy as the Mac in its size. The Hunters have a better layout, but you pay twice as much.
My Mac was my first boat, so don't feel like it's too much for you. As mentioned, the weather is the main factor.Ease into it. I sail with a full main in 20+ knots here.
 
Aug 1, 2013
61
Hunter 240 Muskegon, MI
Though I am a bit biased (because we own one as our first boat), I would recommend taking a look at the Hunter 240 (similar to the 260, but a bit smaller). It is pretty easy to get setup quickly and get on the water with, especially if you have a CDI roller and are able to leave the jib attached. Also, with the aft berth, there is a fair amount of space for camping-style overnights (my wife and I both slept back there and there was enough room).

That being said, one primary reason I recommend the 240 (or something in its size class) is that the beam is just under 8'6", which means it is legal to trailer pretty much anywhere. Once you go over that (in most places), you technically need a "Wide Load" permit and the whatnot that goes with that. While you may or may not be able to get away with ignoring that and towing anyway, if something bad happens, that something probably just got a lot worse because you were "illegally" towing the boat.
 
Jul 7, 2004
8,481
Hunter 30T Cheney, KS
Though I am a bit biased (because we own one as our first boat), I would recommend taking a look at the Hunter 240 (similar to the 260, but a bit smaller). It is pretty easy to get setup quickly and get on the water with, especially if you have a CDI roller and are able to leave the jib attached. Also, with the aft berth, there is a fair amount of space for camping-style overnights (my wife and I both slept back there and there was enough room).

That being said, one primary reason I recommend the 240 (or something in its size class) is that the beam is just under 8'6", which means it is legal to trailer pretty much anywhere. Once you go over that (in most places), you technically need a "Wide Load" permit and the whatnot that goes with that. While you may or may not be able to get away with ignoring that and towing anyway, if something bad happens, that something probably just got a lot worse because you were "illegally" towing the boat.
Another friend of mine (we're all close at NSA) has a 240 slipped right next to me. I don't remember what it looks like below but I am jealous of his cockpit :redface:
Hunters are well thought out boats.
 
Oct 26, 2008
6,266
Catalina 320 Barnegat, NJ
I wouldn't worry about the size for learning how to sail. While most people say that learning how to sail on dinghy-sized boat is the best way, it certainly isn't necessary. If you want a sailboat with the facilities to stay on board for overnights, you don't have to take that unnecessary step. You will be fine learning how to trim sails with a 26' boat.

I would suggest that you take an interest in learning about all of the various sail controls and you can't do that if you don't have them. Some trailer-sailers are pretty bare bones in that respect. I would favor the boats that have a well thought-out plan with traveler, vang, and tracks for adjustable genoa fairleads. A cunningham isn't very necessary and is more easily added than a traveler or vang. It should also be set-up for single reefing minimally, and preferably double reefing. There are different methods for setting up the reefing, so it won't hurt to do a little research in that regard so that you have some knowledge going into your search. (google is your friend). If you buy a boat that has a good furling/reefing system for the headsail, that is a plus, because the cost of adding it to your boat will be much greater than the increased price of a boat that already has it.

In other words, sellers never get the full value for their upgrades when they sell. So it is generally better to buy a boat at a higher price that comes fully loaded, than it is to buy a bare bones boat and spend your own money on the upgrades. If you are a savvy buyer, the real bargains will have all the upgrades! If you're not sure about that concept, browse thru the sailboat hardware offered by this site, Defender, Jamestown, etc. to get a feel for the price of equipment that you might find enticing.
 
Nov 23, 2011
2,023
MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
That is the question. My Hunter 260 friend calls it his Hunterbago. My Mac26S is more like a cave.
i doubt anything trailers as easy as the Mac in its size. The Hunters have a better layout, but you pay twice as much.
My Mac was my first boat, so don't feel like it's too much for you. As mentioned, the weather is the main factor.Ease into it. I sail with a full main in 20+ knots here.
I have 2 Mac 26D's. I love the boat. They are simple to sail and fun.
There are 3 Hunter 260's at our club and they moor right behind my slip. (I hit one with my Siren 17 on the weekend! The Hunter sank immediately... Kidding. It's still floating.) It's the one in the background. The Siren 17 in the picture must be the most resold boat in the world. It's cute, has everything but is way too small for 2 adults and 1 child! Don't even look at anything smaller than 26'!
The h260 does have advantages over the Mac. But... They are more everything to deal with. Yea more everything... More space inside.. More weight... More tow vehicle to move it... More people to raise and lower the mast... More $.. More, More More.
They like the Mac are "tender". Not more tender but more than you would expect from what looks like such a big boat.
I'd go for the MacGregor. 1600 lb. I tow mine with my SAAB wagon.
1 person can raise the mast. You can beach it. There relatively cheap.
When I was researching what boat to get for my first boat I walked the docks and asked other sailors about there boats. That is a great way to see first hand what we are talking about. Someone may take you sailing too.
Good luck with your search.
 

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May 23, 2004
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I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Just remember....All of the boats with swing keels or centerboards have one thing that you need to check out that can be hard to check out....The swing keel.

I had a Hunter 22 and if I knew then what I know now I would have been pretty paranoid because I never checked the centerboard.

As for my Hunter 22...It was a great boat. It was a good design and I sailed it for some longer cruises. I crossed the Chesapeake Bay in it. It is a little tender but it sailed well in light to moderate winds.

Where I sail, the Chesapeake Bay, you can get some big weather. The wind and waves can get up there. When I downsized I went to the Compac 23 because I thought that it would be a stiffer boat. 23 foot boat, 4500lbs of displacement. It doesn't have a swing keel but a centerboard. It is a pain to rig but I can do it. It takes a fair amount of water to launch.

That being said, I have already sailed through 20 knots upwind on it for a while and I am happy with my choice. It takes the chop well, sails well, and has a great set-up and layout.

My Compac 23 would be quite comfortable for two people for a few days, bearable for a family for an overnight. A huge thing is having a separate head. I don't have it and it is very nice to have so you don't have to move things to get to the head.

I have no experience with Macs. I know that the Catalina 250 and Hunter 260 are both good boats. I personally know people who have had each of these boats and they are good. Heck, if I was going to spend the money, I may have gone after a Hunter 260.

If budget isn't as tight, another really nice trailer sailor is the Seaward boats. The Seaward 26rk looks like a great boat. They would be the most expensive route but they are well done. There are some Seaward 25 boats out there that are starting to get in the area of reasonable when it comes to price.

There is special maintenance for the water ballast. The owners can fill you in on this but it has to do with the ballast tanks. There is maintenance for a centerboard and they can be a pain if you sail where there are barnacles and you leave the boat in the water. Again, there is why I went with the Compac because I don't have the centerboard issue, the ballast is in the keel, and I may leave it in the water for the season.

If you are wanting to daysail, the stepping and unstepping of the mast will be an absolute pain in the butt. You will be spending a lot of extra time messing with that and it takes away from sailing. Drysailing one of these boats would be a good set-up and I have considered that with my boat (I am also dependent on the tides where I am and there aren't any places in my present location to dry sail but I know of another marina in my area where I can do this and it is something I am considering). You avoid bottom paint, barnacles (if you are in salt water), and other land issues. You just launch and retrieve each time and store with the mast up.

Really work on your list of what you want to do with this boat. Even better, experience other people's boats. Volunteer to help people step and unstep their mast. Books are great, but they are lacking hands on experience. Find sources to get some of this real world experience for yourself so you know exactly what you are looking for. No matter what you spend, a boat is a big investment. It may not much cost that much initially, but you are also investing in your safety, your leisure time, and your sanity!

Also.....Talk to Crazy Dave. He can help a lot!
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
....In other words, sellers never get the full value for their upgrades when they sell. So it is generally better to buy a boat at a higher price that comes fully loaded, than it is to buy a bare bones boat and spend your own money on the upgrades. If you are a savvy buyer, the real bargains will have all the upgrades!....
Great advice and I know which side of the equation I'm on with the Endeavour and the Mac :cry:. Hopefully it will be sometime before someone gets a deal buying the Mac, unfortunately not the case with the Endeavour for me,

Sumner

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Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
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Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
....I am mostly interested in inland lakes for now, with a main focus on camping (with kids) and a little fishing every once in a while....
It would help to have a little more info like how many kids and how big are they? How many total on the boat? Camping on the boat or the beach? Approximate budget for this? What type of tow vehicle do you have?........

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Jan 1, 2006
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Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
It would help to have a little more info like how many kids and how big are they? How many total on the boat? Camping on the boat or the beach? Approximate budget for this? What type of tow vehicle do you have? Sumner/QUOTE]
Yes! And is there a Mrs.?
BTW I was at our local launching ramp today and someone was launching a Cape Dory Typhoon 19'. I thought of this thread. As far as over night this would be on the spartan side. The pup tent. But sailing wise, it would be the balm. Very forgiving sailor, steady and and not a bad performer. Light enough to move in light wind and digs in for a breeze. It won't scare your family to death - which is really important. They are available at very reasonable prices. Worth a look.
 
Jan 7, 2011
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Oday 322 East Chicago, IN
I thought a Mac 26 was the ticket, but got a sail on one and decided against it. I am on Lake Michigan, so was not interested in trailering. Did not like the time it took to set up and launch the boat, and I did not think it was very good as a sail boat, nor as a power boat. Decided that day that whatever I bought, I would keep it in a slip, and that I would not buy the Mac.

For about the same money, I bought a 1996 a Hunter 280. Excellent starter boat, easy to sail, forgiving, and low maintenance. Not a huge cabin, but a workable galley, a decent size head, and a HUGE cockpit for a 28 footer. I learned to sail on her, and enjoyed the boat for the past 4 years. Just sold her in favor of an older O'Day 322, which I have wanted for a while. She offers more room below, but actually has a smaller cockpit than the H280. She is also older and will require more maintenance.

If you plan to trailer, then these thought won't be of much value to you, but I would suggest trying to get a sail on any boat you are considering...could certainly prevent a purchase you are not happy with. The Mac may be great for your needs, but it did not fit my needs on a BIG lake.

Greg
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
... Did not like the time it took to set up and launch the boat, and I did not think it was very good as a sail boat, nor as a power boat. Decided that day that whatever I bought, I would keep it in a slip, and that I would not buy the Mac.....
Your talking about a Macgregor power sailor, either an X or M. No comparison to the Macgregor D or S except for the water ballast. We still don't know which model of Macgregor the OP is interested in?

Lake Michigan also warrants probably a different boat than what he is looking for. It sounds like you made a good choice for where you are,

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Feb 17, 2013
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Nauticat 43 Kemah, Texas
Welcome to sailing! I think you're getting good advice to consider how easily you can launch. If is difficult, you won't go out as often. There's no problem learning to sail on a 22 or 24 foot, or even larger, boat. The best way to learn is to sail by doing it often. To the point that kper and Joe Blizzard made, having an even smaller boat, like a Hunter 170 or Catalina 18, might get you on the water more. You'll just have to bring a tent.