suggestions for downsizing?

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capejt

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May 17, 2004
276
Hunter 33_77-83 New London, CT
After ten happy years on board my '79 Hunter 33, I'm giving thought to moving into something smaller that I can readily single hand. One of the hard factors to deal with is the fact that I'm 6'3" and require considerable headroom below decks in addition to a long bunk.
Another stipulation, like everybody else these days, is budget.

Preferences (but not necessities):
Inboard Diesel
Furling Jig and Main
Enclosed Head

Any suggestions?
Thanks
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Huh? Why can't you singlehand your Hunter 33? I singlehand our Catalina 34 (same period last 11 years) and did so earlier this year with a recently broken leg. What's so hard? Do you have some unusual docking arrangements that make it hard? Is the boat not set up for singlehanding? I know there may be extenuating circumstances, but they are usually well beyond the boat itself that preclude singlehanding. I'd be interested in learning more about your decision.

Given your criteria, I'm not sure there are boats made that would deal with your headroom issue. Heck, anyone over 6'=0" isn't happy on our C34s. The C350 has gigantic headroom, but is a completely different boat. Anything smaller proportionally would have LESS headroom.

Good luck.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
You are single handing why do you need an enclosed head? ;) Perhaps you could get what you are looking for in a Flicka. But given your physical size I don't understand why a 33 -34 foot boat is too large.
 

Bob V

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Mar 13, 2008
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Catalina 42mkII Lagoon Point
I once saw a C30 that was having bow thrusters installed and I thought that was pretty ridiculous until I heard that the skipper was in his late 70's and not ready to give up sailing yet. He was having a bit of trouble getting in and out of the slip single-handed though so bow thrusters were the answer for him.

Personally, I think my C42 is a breeze to single hand and it has two enclosed heads. There is a lot more to it than size in what makes a good single-hander.

You probably already have auto-pilot. Are your lines all run to the cockpit for easy access to sail controls? When I come in to a strange slip single-handed I always fender up both sides and have dock lines ready on both sides. Understanding how your prop "walks" is also a big help.

Try out your single handing techniques with a crew member standing by to help if you need it for some practice.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Nah, scrap the diesel, jib, head crap and go for the best single hander out there that wont break the bank, a Laser.

PS, no headroom issues either.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Dare I ask if the questioner

knows how to use or even has a midships spring line? :eek:
 
Jul 17, 2009
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Endeavour/Chrysler E-32/C-22 swimming pool
I'll trade you my C-22 its real easy to solo sail:D
 
Jun 8, 2004
853
Pearson 26W Marblehead
downsizing/singlehanding

Two people I knew: #1 is over 80 with a C&C35 he frequently singlehanded the boat
#2 is 60 with an 18' keel boat He has never singlehanded his boat and wont. This issue is not about boat size. Its about different preferences and capabilities
 
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Jeff D

Go Electric

Don't know why you don't feel comfortable single handling your boat. Some people do have physical situations despite one's age, so those of you are critical, lay off it. If your issue is related to handling of sheets and halyards I would suggest you investigate one of the electric winch options such as a Makita right angle drill with a winch attachment. If raising the main is an issue perhaps looking at a Strong track system which works very nicely. As for a boat, I would recommend a Nonsuch 26 or 30. Very roomy and a snap to sail with its advanced cat rig. Hope you find a solution which keeps you on the water.
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
What in particular is driving your thoughts about downsizing?

The man has quite a bit of sailing experience, so assuming he is inexperienced is perhaps unjust.

What in particular is driving your thoughts about downsizing?

Certainly it will be a challenge to propose boats to you that are significantly smaller while maintaining headroom sufficient for someone 6'3" as your Hunter 33 essentially has the beam of a 30 footer (10"3"). So, although my S2 9.2A has nearly 6'3" of headroom and decent berths, it wouldn't be much of an improvement. Nor would a Catalina 30, which might actually be bigger than your H33 in some ways with its 12 foot beam. A much newer boat might also avail you of in-mast furling, which may help your sitiatuion, but you will pay for it. For example, there is a newer H32 with main furling for sale at our club, but it is probably a $70K+ boat.

Going in a different direction, a much smaller boat with a pop-top, which would satisfy your headroom requirements somewhat, is unlikely to satisfy your other desires (inboard). A Rhodes 22 has a 6'6" double berth, 6'6" pop top, a walk in enclosed head and a self-tending jib. They have been made for decades and are still available new. But Ct to Block Island on a 22 footer, while doable, might be a long sail for a weekend trip. Catalina 25's were available with a pop-top, a fin keel and an inboard. Finding one may be a challenge though.

So, back to my title. What is driving this for you? Certainly dealing with larger sails is more of a workout, even going from may last boat, a 25 footer, to my 30 footer. Is that one of the issues? If so, have you considered going to a smaller headsail (even perhaps making it self tending) and perhaps adding a second roller with a code zero or drifter on it for light air? Anything you can retrofit onto your boat will likely save you money over changing boats to a boat of similar size. A friend of mine has a Freedom 28 sloop he may sell which has a huge main and a small self tending jib and it is a sin how easy it is to sail. However, it is not suitable for someone 6'3" as I whacked my head twice trying to sit on the settee, never mind standing. If it sounds interesting, you may consider the Hunter Vision 32, with its similar rig, as it will have ample space but be easier to sail. The kicker is that it is likely larger than your 33 and will run you about $40K. Plus build quality of that generation of Hunters is perhaps not up to what you are used to.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
The man has quite a bit of sailing experience, so assuming he is inexperienced is perhaps unjust.
Not necessarily. There are hundreds of thousands of people who think they need crew to dock a boat. Hogwash.

The rest of your presentation was thoughtful and insightful, and very well done.

I hope our respondent is out sailing his 33 this weekend and look forward to his replies on Tuesday.
 
Dec 1, 1999
2,391
Hunter 28.5 Chesapeake Bay
A thought about head room: Boat designer Herreshoff once said that boats did not need to have standing headroom as the only things the interior space of boat was used for was eating, sleeping, and making love....:dance:
 
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kenn

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Apr 18, 2009
1,271
CL Sandpiper 565 Toronto
As per BobM, it would help to know more about capejt's reasons for downsizing, and a bit more about what s/he means by "single-handing".

You've all given good answers, if capejt is mainly inquiring about "single-handed cruising". I'm going to go on a different tack - maybe s/he is really saying that they aren't sailing enough, because they can't always find sailing buddies to go out, or it seems too much of a hassle to take the big boat out for just a couple of hours of solo daysailing.

I've heard (somewhere) that typically the average amount of sailing done in a season is inversely proportional to the size and cost of the boat. The solution here is to have a smaller, inexpensive boat that's a breeze to sail (pun intentional), makes the most of lighter winds, and is responsive and fun.

We're currently at the low end, with a 19' mini cruiser that's easy yet fun to sail, can be trailered and launched anywhere, and is still suitable for 2 or 3 overnights. No winches, sails are easy to handle (headsail furls, main is easy to raise/lower). We aspire to a 30+' boat, but we don't ever plan to sell the little girl because she's just too much fun for the price. We've met several people who have regretted upsizing and selling their small boat.

So I would recommend that capejt tries a smaller boat (18 - 24 ft) to see if it works any magic with them. The solution may be to keep the big boat, AND have a smaller boat too.
 

capejt

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May 17, 2004
276
Hunter 33_77-83 New London, CT
thanks and a little clarification

First, thanks for so many responses.
As for why I want to downsize, while the H33 is a beautiful boat, it's just a bit too roomy sometimes for just one or two people. When we bought it we had plans on having guests aboard a lot of the time. Unfortunately, it really comes down to just two us almost all the time. It just seems like a waste of space.
I have no problems with the idea of actually sailing it single handed. Almost all lines are already led aft, I have a reliable autopilot, but what worries me is docking. She doesn't handle very well getting in and out of a slip.
The idea of the midships spring line intrigues me. I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.
I appreciate the suggestion of a Laser. I onced raced them a long time ago in my dinghy sailing youth.
The enclosed head is mainly for the wife. She insists.
The Nonsuch line has appeared as an alternative, but their so darn expensive!
I had thought of perhaps such models as the Hunter 27, the Catalina 30 (or smaller), and I read somewhere about the Com-Pac line (though I haven't done any research on the one yet).
Any thoughts on those?
Thanks again
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,353
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
The idea of the midships spring line intrigues me. I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.

It's a very basic method of "attaching" a boat to a dock, and is one of the most important techniques for successful docking. Once you learn how to use it, you'll keep your boat.

Do a search on "spring line" here on this board, under author, and find some of my earlier posts. Or do a Google on Captain Jack Klang who explains it very well.

Edited to change to only spring line for search.
 

BobM

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Jun 10, 2004
3,269
S2 9.2A Winthrop, MA
Great answer Stu

I knew once we had all the details someone on the board would have a great response. I have only docked my boat a handful of times and it is white knuckles for me, as I keep my boat on a mooring. I will read the guide with great interest.
 
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