I am purchasing a larger boat, a 1982 Catalina 27. Just waiting for survey/haul-out. I want to run the haylards and other control lines aft to the cockpit, can anyone suggest proper winch size? Are #8 winches of different brands the same?
Suggestion on winch size
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WInches are the same
Theoretically, a #8 winch from Lewmar has the same power as a #8 from Harken, Anderson, Barlow, etc. The # is the power ratio for the winch. However, I would recommend that you purchase a #16 for your halyard winches rather than a #8. Not knowing what you have as your primary winches, based on my experience with a C-30 and a S2 7.9, they should be at least #30s. Check with the Lewmar or the Harken web sites, they make recommendations for all boats and / or sail sizes. Good luck. Steve Alchemist
Theoretically, a #8 winch from Lewmar has the same power as a #8 from Harken, Anderson, Barlow, etc. The # is the power ratio for the winch. However, I would recommend that you purchase a #16 for your halyard winches rather than a #8. Not knowing what you have as your primary winches, based on my experience with a C-30 and a S2 7.9, they should be at least #30s. Check with the Lewmar or the Harken web sites, they make recommendations for all boats and / or sail sizes. Good luck. Steve Alchemist
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Thanks for the reply, Went to Harken's site and for the Catalina 27's main halyard, genoa halyard, spinaker halyard, main reef they call out B8 winches. For the Genoa sheets they call out B32.2. Is there any reason to go larger than the B8's????? Thanks
Thanks for the reply, Went to Harken's site and for the Catalina 27's main halyard, genoa halyard, spinaker halyard, main reef they call out B8 winches. For the Genoa sheets they call out B32.2. Is there any reason to go larger than the B8's????? Thanks
My suggestion..
David, My 77 Cat 27 came equipped with #24 non-tailing 2 speed Barlows on the cabin top, #32 primaries. Barient and Barlow are similar, but no longer in production. A well maintained winch will last a lifetime. There's no need to change them unless they're completely worn or you want a self-tailing model, especially on an 82 boat. So..... If you just want to install cabin top winches I recommend the smallest TWO-SPEED model you can find. A quick look through west marine catalogue showed Lewmar, Harken and Anderson's smallest 2 speed non-tailing as a #16, priced in the $350-390 range the next size was 30, so go with the 16's. I wouldn't spend the money on self-tailing since you'll be using these winches for various cleated lines. If the 2 speeds are outside your budget, go ahead with the #8 single speed, but two speed allows yout to snug up a halyard or tack line with very little effort with an 8" handle. I like the larger winches because there are many more uses on the cabin tops than any other. For instance, you might have 2 jib halyards and 2 reefing lines on one side, on the other side you would have a spinnaker halyard, a main halyard, maybe two more reefing lines or a topping lift, tack line, foreguy, etc. My vang and cunningham are on a purchase system that allows hand operation, but I could winch them if needed. Another popular use for the cabin winches is cross-hauling, recently discussed in the trim forum, and spinnaker sheet cross-winching so the trimmer can stand to windward. Mount the winches on either side of the cabin top, as close inboard as possible, (especially if you have a dodger). Also, mount them pretty far back, to allow plenty of room forward for the cleats and clutches. I have seen people mount the winches on 1-2 inche risers. To turn the lines from the mast aft they also mount the 2x2 organizer on a riser allowing them to clear the teak hatch guide and also keep them off the deck. The goal being to provide a fair lead to the clutches/cleats. I've attached a picture of my setup but, I'll change it some day when I get a dodger and maybe some clutches. The Clam ("V", Jam) cleats work very well and are an economical alternative to clutches.
David, My 77 Cat 27 came equipped with #24 non-tailing 2 speed Barlows on the cabin top, #32 primaries. Barient and Barlow are similar, but no longer in production. A well maintained winch will last a lifetime. There's no need to change them unless they're completely worn or you want a self-tailing model, especially on an 82 boat. So..... If you just want to install cabin top winches I recommend the smallest TWO-SPEED model you can find. A quick look through west marine catalogue showed Lewmar, Harken and Anderson's smallest 2 speed non-tailing as a #16, priced in the $350-390 range the next size was 30, so go with the 16's. I wouldn't spend the money on self-tailing since you'll be using these winches for various cleated lines. If the 2 speeds are outside your budget, go ahead with the #8 single speed, but two speed allows yout to snug up a halyard or tack line with very little effort with an 8" handle. I like the larger winches because there are many more uses on the cabin tops than any other. For instance, you might have 2 jib halyards and 2 reefing lines on one side, on the other side you would have a spinnaker halyard, a main halyard, maybe two more reefing lines or a topping lift, tack line, foreguy, etc. My vang and cunningham are on a purchase system that allows hand operation, but I could winch them if needed. Another popular use for the cabin winches is cross-hauling, recently discussed in the trim forum, and spinnaker sheet cross-winching so the trimmer can stand to windward. Mount the winches on either side of the cabin top, as close inboard as possible, (especially if you have a dodger). Also, mount them pretty far back, to allow plenty of room forward for the cleats and clutches. I have seen people mount the winches on 1-2 inche risers. To turn the lines from the mast aft they also mount the 2x2 organizer on a riser allowing them to clear the teak hatch guide and also keep them off the deck. The goal being to provide a fair lead to the clutches/cleats. I've attached a picture of my setup but, I'll change it some day when I get a dodger and maybe some clutches. The Clam ("V", Jam) cleats work very well and are an economical alternative to clutches.
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Thanks for the information. The boat that I am purchasing has a doger as well as a cover over the companionway slide. I'm sure that I'll have many more questions to post. Thanks
Thanks for the information. The boat that I am purchasing has a doger as well as a cover over the companionway slide. I'm sure that I'll have many more questions to post. Thanks
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