STU JACKSON

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May 17, 2004
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Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Stu: I've been reading your messages both here and on the "ask all sailors" and your always pretty much on point. My problem is sail trim is such a limiting topic and I'm running out of material. In other words, there is just so much to it and your done and that is it. It does not go on like nuclear research. I was thinking of trying something a little different and was wondering if you would like to try writing a piece about some aspect of sail trim. It has to be about sail trim and not anything mechanical or regarding boat repair. It could be some procedure you use or tips you've developed. It could be on spinnakers or some aspect of racing - I don't know, you could just let your mind run wild. What do you think? Also, if this works, I'll be calling on some of the other regulars on this forum to contribute a piece!!
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,354
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Sail Trim (back to Don G.)

Don Thanks for the kind words. I may be able to contribute some more sail trim tips, but I think that you’re either absolutely wrong or absolutely right about sail trim: Wrong: you never stop learning and every sail, even over the same course, is different Right: just as you said, “there is just so much and you’re done” I’ve contributed many tips to this forum about trim, mainly about two of my favorite subjects: reefing & sailing with the jib alone. I will continue to do so because I believe that the more prepared our constituents are the SAFER we ALL can be. I must admit that I have other ongoing responsibilities. Besides a full time job (engineering analysis and writing) and family, and weekly sailing with good friends, I am the Secretary of the Catalina 34 International Association. I am also very active as a volunteer contributor on the C34 website (plug: www.c34ia.org) with what you described as ”mechanical and boat repair” stuff, mostly my interest in lots of boating engine & electrical issues. I believe a good cross fertilization between this forum and the Catalina One-Design Associations is vital to the continued success and safety of our skippers. I’ve suggested that the links on this site to those Associations be more apparent for quick reference and updated regularly. I also keep in contact with the C25 Association on their board and with the C36 Technical Editors. Accordingly, I must regretfully decline your generous offer, and only wish that I had the perseverance that you did to write a book. As I said to and about Peggie Hall recently, I congratulate her (and you) on your persistence in responding to the same questions about material that’s already covered in your books. And sometimes being asked by people who have actually bought and read the books! Perhaps one day someone will use a search engine and gather all my ramblings. Since I’ve been known to repeat myself, it could a be lot shorter collection than anyone would have imagined! I think a lot of regulars here and on other boards do what I do and what you do: contribute and answer questions. Sometimes there may not be any reason to need to ”provoke” a new thread - there’s enough material out there already for new and experienced “mates” to discuss. (PS - I don’t get to sleep on my boat near enough as I'd like, and enjoy it when I do, but I don’t really care how many people do or don’t. Pretty boat pictures don’t do it for me either - I can see them sailing or sitting pretty at a slip almost anytime.) I try to concentrate on Goals, Direction & Sharing, although sometimes I may be a bit too quick with the keys. Here’s my TOP TEN LIST FOR SAIL TRIM: (and, no, I haven’t read your book - yet!) 1. Read, then practice. Start with Don’s book & chart 2. Usually, if it looks good, it is. 3. Reduce theorizing - repeat: PRACTICE 4. Reef, and please, stop with the mast rake stories unless you have a boat that doesn’t have a telephone pole for a mast 5. Flatten your main or buy a new one for higher pointing (I can’t - I have a wonderfully intact, 20 year old, full battened main, just cleaned by Sail Care, and I’m one happy sailor) 6. Take notes after each sail - what worked and what didn’t 7. Sail alone with your autopilot. Your autopilot will teach you to set and trim sails better than anything except Don’s book! 8. It takes time to learn 9. My outhaul doesn’t work either - I’m workin’ on it. 10. Enjoy : that’s what it’s all about : learn your boat and practice The information’s out there - go get it, do your own research and homework - you’ll be better off than having someone else answer each and every question for you. Thanks, Don, and all of you Fair Winds, Stu
 

MarkDB

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Jun 10, 2005
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NULL NULL Springfield, VA
Sail sizes and shapes

Don: Can you speak to different sail sizes, materials, and shapes? What works best in different conditions? What is a good inventory? And of course why. Mark
 
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If I interpret your opening lines correctly, are saying that sail trim is like pregnancy.......you can't be a little bit pregnant ? :eek:)
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Stu: Thank you for considering writing an article on sail trim. Writing The Sail Trim Users Guide was realtively easy. The biggest challenge was developing the Sail Trim Chart and many times I just wanted to give up but what drove me on was I really wanted to know how to sail a silly sailboat and get 100% efficiency out of it in the process. Originally, I designed the chart for myself and had no plans to sell it as I thought I was the only sailor on the planet that did not know how to trim sails. What took an inordinate amount of time was testing every principle of sail trim on my boat so I knew what worked and what didn't. After I found that there was a market for the chart, sailors came to me and said the chart told them WHAT to do but they wanted to know WHY they were making a particular sail trim adjustment. Once I figured out the book format, the rest was easy. On your outhaul - mine never worked from the get go but I solved the problem in 15 minutes by using 2 small Harken triple blocks. I could pull the cringle out of the sail if I wanted to. If your interested in details just let me know.
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
sail sizes and shape

Mark: I really can't comment on this subject becuause it is just not my bag. The way I operate is that if I don't know the subject I just shut up. Your best bet would be your local sail maker and he should be someone that has been recommended by your dock neighbors and sailing budies.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
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Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
Light air sailing?

Don, since many of those reading your posts seem to be lake sailors and you're from an area notorious for light air. It may be well worthwhile to expand on the extreme 'variabilities' of such sailing. Light air and 'lake' sailing is the hardest to do well and Im pretty sure many would benefit. ;-) regards RichH
 
May 17, 2004
2,111
Other Catalina 30 Tucson, AZ
Light air sailing

RichH: OK, I can do that. I'll put something together in a few days. I've been around boats since I was 5 years old and in all those years the only lake I've ever sailed on (twice) was Lake Havasu, AZ, where it either blows 90 knots or 0 knots. As I mentioned before, if a mate can sail in light air he can sail in anything. Your right about the light air situation in So Ca but it amazes me to see that a lot of racers out here don't get what it takes to get the boat moving in very light and light air and it just ain't the middle to the back of the pack guys either. Invariably, they belly out the sail - a whole lot - with the idea that they will capture what little wind there is. The problem is the wind does not have enough force to get around a sail with a lot of belly and they just sit there and bitch about the conditions. I'm normally with the middle to back of the pack skippers and I don't mind those conditions because I can get the boat moving sometime to the chargrin of those around us. They can see (or maybe they can't) what I'm doing but don't pick up on it because it does no make sense to them. To any beginner to intermediates out there - the next time your in a very light to light air situation try to get the main and jib as flat as possable and see what happens. The boat will move forward because you now have flow (no flow = no movement). You won't set the land sea record but you will move. Be prepared with your answer for other sailors who will ask you how you do it!!
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Oday 25 pittsburgh
Don, You will never be done explaining it...

Don, ask Peggie ( Head Mistress) about how she has explained everything and now she is done! Don, there are always new sailors here and some that were not paying attention the first time. Thank's for your dedication to this forum. r.w.landau
 
Dec 2, 1997
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Don, r.w. knows whereof he speaks! :)

If you think you can explain ANYTHING just once, dream on! :) Not only do I answer just about every possible question at least a dozen times every year...but because people don't want to look for answers (or even read previous replies in the same thread, much less search the archives!), I've been asked the exact same question as many as 5x in 3 days (I regret to say that I ran out of patience with the 5th person)! And they ask 'em in every forum BUT mine, too...sometimes in multiple forums, which--because different people read different forums--means multiple DIFFERENT discussions of the same subject. God help 'em all if I ever get a life. <LOL>
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,354
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
And you and Don both wrote

The BOOKS. Peggie, we need to add - seems no one reads books anymore either. *cry Stu
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Oday 25 pittsburgh
Peggie,

These forums have kept your typing skills in the highest order. I have noticed an increase of speed over the years..... sincerely r.w.landau
 
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