Struck by Lightning - we'll see how good USAA/Progressive is

Jun 5, 2014
209
Capital Yacths Newport MKIII 30 Punta Gorda, Fl
Kloudie when you say "in the water", was it in open water or on shore? I have been following lighting strikes on sailboats to find out if there is any truth to the idea that most lightning strikes occur to docked boats or to those near shore. I'm curious if those observations relate to the greater number of boat's ashore at any given time or if there is some other logical explanation. Have heard from many people being caught in storms offshore but not hit while the majority of strikes seem to happen at boats docked in marinas. I have actually pulled out to sea to gain sea room in an approaching storm rather than stay in an anchorage but have not yet figured out if there is any advantage as far as lightning is concerned.
Hi Benny
I'm guessing it would be hard to get a lot of data from boats in the open water during a storm since I believe most head for an anchoring/dock when a storm is coming. My boat is on a lift in a canal. Do you have any data of sailboats being hit while up out of the water on a lift?
 
Jun 9, 2004
615
Catalina 385 Marquette. Mi
Years ago my C-270 was parked next to one of those powerboat wanna be's Macgregor sailboats in a marina. His mast was about 5' shorter than mine, but during a T-Storm his was the one to take a lightning hit. Who's to know what mother nature will do??
 

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Apr 22, 2011
234
Beneteau 311 Ft Myers Beach
Hi Benny
I'm guessing it would be hard to get a lot of data from boats in the open water during a storm since I believe most head for an anchoring/dock when a storm is coming. My boat is on a lift in a canal. Do you have any data of sailboats being hit while up out of the water on a lift?
Only anecdotal evidence; but my boat was hit while on a lift raised up about two foot out of the water. It is believed the lightening strike exited the boat though the dock power cord, as all the electrical outlets on the dock were burned out as well as damaging the circuit breaker in the breaker box for my dock and pool.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I have been following lighting strikes on sailboats to find out if there is any truth to the idea that most lightning strikes occur to docked boats or to those near shore. I'm curious if those observations relate to the greater number of boat's ashore at any given time or if there is some other logical explanation. Have heard from many people being caught in storms offshore but not hit while the majority of strikes seem to happen at boats docked in marinas. I have actually pulled out to sea to gain sea room in an approaching storm rather than stay in an anchorage but have not yet figured out if there is any advantage as far as lightning is concerned.
I've had a few customers who've been hit at sea. One during an off-shore race, 200+ miles from shore, and with a carbon spar. Talk about $$$$$$$.. The other was hit between St. Augustine and the Bahama's and one was hit between Maine and Nova Scotia at least 90 miles from shore. I have lots more who are hit on moorings but that is where the boats are most of the time.

Unless you're a world cruiser most of our boats spend 95% of the time at a dock or mooring or on land... I suspect that is what drives the percentages...
 
Jun 5, 2014
209
Capital Yacths Newport MKIII 30 Punta Gorda, Fl
Only anecdotal evidence; but my boat was hit while on a lift raised up about two foot out of the water. It is believed the lightening strike exited the boat though the dock power cord, as all the electrical outlets on the dock were burned out as well as damaging the circuit breaker in the breaker box for my dock and pool.
I have heard of others that had their boats plugged in while at dock/lift that the strike traveled through the shore power cord. I now unplug my power cord when I am not using it to try to be safe. I am just curious if their is anything I could do to reduce the chances of being hit on a lift?
 

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Apr 22, 2011
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Beneteau 311 Ft Myers Beach
I have heard of others that had their boats plugged in while at dock/lift that the strike traveled through the shore power cord. I now unplug my power cord when I am not using it to try to be safe. I am just curious if their is anything I could do to reduce the chances of being hit on a lift?
I was told being plugged in prevented my boat from suffering damage to the hull or keel, as the charge had somewhere to go. Don't know if that's correct or not, nor can I find any RELIABLE information either way. Before I moved to Florida I looked up things on lightening there is a lot of stuff but in my opinion non of is definitive.
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,086
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
According to the National Lightning Safety Institute in Louisville, Colorado the following should apply:

"Lightning - if you can see it, flee it. If you can hear it, clear it."

:>)

Gee thanks for the advice!

http://lightningsafety.com/

Here's their mascot:
 

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Nov 19, 2011
1,489
MacGregor 26S Hampton, VA
That's almost as good as plastic sheets and duct tape for terrorist attacks we heard a few years ago
 
Sep 6, 2011
435
I carry the same insurance. My only claim was storm damage where the rub rail got beat to death. They handled it quickly without a problem. It was a ~$5k claim at most.
SC
 
Oct 26, 2010
2,105
Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
glad to hear that

I carry the same insurance. My only claim was storm damage where the rub rail got beat to death. They handled it quickly without a problem. It was a ~$5k claim at most.
SC
Sailcruiser - was your adjuster from Charleston? I have been out of town. The boatyard is getting together the estimate for repairs. They are pushing for pulling the mast to rewire and its just easier to work that way than with someone at the top of the mast for a long time.

He thinks they (USAA/Progressive) will be reasonable to work with so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'll keep all updated as I get more info.
 
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Sep 6, 2011
435
No I'm up on the Great Lakes. I saw the adjuster once and had a check in hand the following day. That particular rub rail was hard to find so was a little pricey and the contractor was ridiculous on labor. My rates were unaffected as well if that helps.
SC
 
Jun 1, 2004
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Hunter 37.5 Grand Rivers, Ky.
Re: Struck by Lightning - we'll see how good USAA/Progressiv

Just got the call this afternoon that our boat, 37.5 Hunter took a hit while at the dock. Windex blown off and no power below according to dock personnel. Safeco Ins, Just purchased boat in June
 
Oct 26, 2010
2,105
Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
Hope all goes well with your insurance

Just got the call this afternoon that our boat, 37.5 Hunter took a hit while at the dock. Windex blown off and no power below according to dock personnel. Safeco Ins, Just purchased boat in June
Hope everything works out with your insurance. I'm waiting for a final settlement amount from USAA/Progressive but it looks like everything will work out okay. It looks like they are planning on replacing all damaged components instead of trying to "fix." They authorized pulling the mast for inspection and rewiring with no questions asked. That was one thing I was worried about but it turned out to be a non-problem. The biggest single cost will be replacing the autopilot as they don't make new wheel autopilots for boats as heavy as my Hunter 40.5 any more. They seem to be willing to be very conducive to "making it right" so we'll see in a few days when the final adjustment amount comes. I'll keep you all posted.
 
Oct 26, 2010
2,105
Hunter 40.5 Beaufort, SC
Hope everything works out with your insurance. I'm waiting for a final settlement amount from USAA/Progressive but it looks like everything will work out okay. It looks like they are planning on replacing all damaged components instead of trying to "fix." They authorized pulling the mast for inspection and rewiring with no questions asked. That was one thing I was worried about but it turned out to be a non-problem. The biggest single cost will be replacing the autopilot as they don't make new wheel autopilots for boats as heavy as my Hunter 40.5 any more. They seem to be willing to be very conducive to "making it right" so we'll see in a few days when the final adjustment amount comes. I'll keep you all posted.
All in all I am very happy with the final settlement from USAA/Progressive. We came to terms on all new equipment that is effectively an upgrade for very little out of pocket. I did upgrade from a wheel autopilot to an internal Rotary Drive (mounted inside the binnacle) and since that was an upgrade, the Progressive agent agreed to pay for the cost of the wheel autopilot and I made up the difference between that and the internal drive. The out of pocket was really from the significant upgrade in the autopilot, and the total out of pocket was only $1500. All in all I consider that very fair. The settlement came to me in the way of a check that included the replacement cost of the equipment plus installation labor. Couldn't really ask for more so yes, I was pleased with the USAA/Progressive settlement. Lets see what happens to my annual insurance rate now? Since it was an act of God, not something I did maybe it won't make much of a difference -lets hope anyway.
 
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Oct 24, 2010
2,405
Hunter 30 Everett, WA
Kloudie when you say "in the water", was it in open water or on shore? I have been following lighting strikes on sailboats to find out if there is any truth to the idea that most lightning strikes occur to docked boats or to those near shore. I'm curious if those observations relate to the greater number of boat's ashore at any given time or if there is some other logical explanation. Have heard from many people being caught in storms offshore but not hit while the majority of strikes seem to happen at boats docked in marinas. I have actually pulled out to sea to gain sea room in an approaching storm rather than stay in an anchorage but have not yet figured out if there is any advantage as far as lightning is concerned.
Most of us avoid sailing in thunder storms. boats tied up, on a mooring, or on the hard would be the far greatest risk. It's just a numbers game. There is no difference in odds if the boat is moving.

Ken
 

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SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
7,745
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
Odd thing is that it was in the slings waiting for launch the next morning, with big rubber tires on the lift. I would have thought the tires would have limited the potential for a strike.
Actually it is worse to have been insulated from the GROUND.:doh: If they had Grounded your boat using the sling hoist, your chances of being hit would have been much more remote.

This may seem reverse thinking but you must "become one with lightening" ( a guru joke).
Imagine you are a storm building up Voltage potential just waiting to discharge through the moist insulating air.
Now imagine your boat is on the open seas (all water around you is at the same GROUND voltage potential, normally Zero )
Why would that lightening discharge and hit your boat? The storm sees only Voltage Potential.:confused:
Answer.... wait for it.....
The path to your boat must be Easier to discharge that storm build up of Voltage than just plan ole easy water.

Here now it the "leap of faith" you must reason out.
Why aren't all the water towers throughout the country being blown apart by lightening strikes, or bridges or tall building? Answer: Because they are GROUNDED and not INSULATED from a ground.

So to be hit by lightening, a GROUNDED water tower is at the same potential as the earth around it, they hope to be "invisible" and it now takes a RANDOM chance to be hit. Not prevention, but odds go up by millions to one.

Insurance...
I just switched from Progressive to Farmers, same coverage for $1500 cheaper.
Here is Flo with her make up off.
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Stephanie Courtney....

Here is the Farmer's guy with his make up off...
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JK Simmons....

Hmmmmm Flo need to change to Farmers

Jim...

PS: Ground your boat.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
$1,500 less? How much do you boys on the Gulf pay for your insurance? I don't pay that in a year! (of course she's on the hard, frozen solid.) :(
 

JamesG161

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Feb 14, 2014
7,745
Hunter 430 Waveland, MS
How much do you boys on the Gulf pay for your insurance?
I now, as of yesterday, pay ≈$25.50/foot/year for a 1997 hull (web search for the market value). I suspect the number of Katrina type hurricanes and lightening strikes here might be a factor. My agent told me that the insurance pool is the combination sail and power boats, and the thefts on Gulf power boats are UP UP and are lumped in. His comment was "What thief can escape in a sailboat!":laugh:. So they should, but don't, isolate the slow moving sailboats.
My insured boat and I, survived, 2 violent thunderstorms, that came up so fast, I couldn't run for cover.
I had a strike 45 feet to the port beam and then immediately 90 feet to the starboard beam. :yikes:
Gulp! I was in between (me next?). I owe safe passage, to my good luck :pray: and my Hunter's design for lightening protection:waycool:.

In berth, the 40' ketch berthed 80 feet away, astern and a berthed power boat 200 feet ahead, were both hit in one storm. So how come my 67' mast (tallest in the marina) was not hit? Answer: read my post#36 and some luck.

If a full lightening bolt hit your boat, I would ask, "How big was the hole in your boat?" or in your case, smokey73, "What part of your boat did the lightening arc to ground?.

If you see no "Electrical Arc" evidence, then I would suggest a lightening branch, supercharged your boat.
This is now my guess.
If you see no melted small gauge wiring, as they say "It is not the Voltage that kills you, but the Amperage!", to develop large amp flow, you must flow from lightening to a GROUND. Here is where the "rubber tires" may have reduced your damage.

Supercharging will destroy modern electronics:(, and concussion impact by lightening ionizing air, will explode stuff like wind vanes.

I would like to hear back about your boats forensic results. Crossing my fingers for you.
Jim...

PS: @Gunni my home port is Waveland MS. The true dead center of Katrina and not the New Orleans Superdome some 70 miles west. Ya think that may be an insurance rate cause?
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,182
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Good result. Seems fair. IF your rates go up it will likely be because of a rating plan filed with regulatory authorities which has a graduated scale for claims which may not be based on fault, just an occurrence. Good news/bad news deal. Someone pays more so someone can pay less. Sometimes it's good luck. Sometimes it isn't.
 

Gene S

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Nov 29, 2015
181
Delphia 37 Tacoma
I have heard stories of pin holes at the waterline because of the exit pathway. I would keep looking for it and keep an eye out for water leakage.