Last year I bought oil filters for Yanmar 3GM $8/filter. Today, I bought a filter for $12 and it was 1/2 the size. The dealer told me that Yanmar was making this filter so it would fit different engines. All I know I paid alot more for less and I am not happy. And I use to laugh at all you cheapos wanting to use car filters. abe
Sticker shock on new Yanmar oil filter!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh abe!
Abe: I hope you are kidding! $8 for a once a year event? The oil is about $2/qt, so you have $12 wrapped up in an oil change. This will mean that you need to give up a good bottle of wine or 2 six pack of your favorite brew!
Abe: I hope you are kidding! $8 for a once a year event? The oil is about $2/qt, so you have $12 wrapped up in an oil change. This will mean that you need to give up a good bottle of wine or 2 six pack of your favorite brew!
Ha!
Hey Abe, try matching Yanmar parts up to Vovo! Steve, I may have met/seen you at bethel Island, do you know Jamie Bolt, she manages the yard? That Bruno's got flooded out but they are back in business now, and Owl is up to snuff too. There is a cross-reference that you can use for fram filters, or take yours in and match it at Auto-Zone.
Hey Abe, try matching Yanmar parts up to Vovo! Steve, I may have met/seen you at bethel Island, do you know Jamie Bolt, she manages the yard? That Bruno's got flooded out but they are back in business now, and Owl is up to snuff too. There is a cross-reference that you can use for fram filters, or take yours in and match it at Auto-Zone.
Cap'n Ron
Have not been to Bethel Island for a couple of years. We normally hang out at Antioch for a quick trip from Hidden Harbor. We now have a Hunter Vision 36. Just sold the Hunter 31 last weekend (hurray!).
Have not been to Bethel Island for a couple of years. We normally hang out at Antioch for a quick trip from Hidden Harbor. We now have a Hunter Vision 36. Just sold the Hunter 31 last weekend (hurray!).
Not exactly
This really isn't the place to be financially conservative. The quality and efficacy of oil filters varies significantly. The referenced study is a case in point and appears to be both unbiased and thorough. http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
This really isn't the place to be financially conservative. The quality and efficacy of oil filters varies significantly. The referenced study is a case in point and appears to be both unbiased and thorough. http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html
Do you get what you pay for??
Just because a filter costs more is it made better?? I have been using Fram filters in my truck/car and motorcycle. The car now has over 130000 miles and has no signs of engine wear. I also use the same fram filter in my Toyota truck as I use in my boat's Volvo diesel. The truck now has over 80,000 miles. As a consumer there are very few unbiaised sources of information and all manufacturers claim that their products are superior. Since I have had no known problems using fram I'll just keep using them. The honda filter for my motorcycle cost about $25 if I rememebr correctly and a fram for the bike was about 5 dollars. I put about 70,000 miles on the goldwing before it was sold and there were no apparent problems. I also used regular motor oil instead of the very expensive oil that honda recommended. My reasoning was to go cheaper and change the oil more often. If it costs $12 an oil change it will happen more often than if it cost $35.
Just because a filter costs more is it made better?? I have been using Fram filters in my truck/car and motorcycle. The car now has over 130000 miles and has no signs of engine wear. I also use the same fram filter in my Toyota truck as I use in my boat's Volvo diesel. The truck now has over 80,000 miles. As a consumer there are very few unbiaised sources of information and all manufacturers claim that their products are superior. Since I have had no known problems using fram I'll just keep using them. The honda filter for my motorcycle cost about $25 if I rememebr correctly and a fram for the bike was about 5 dollars. I put about 70,000 miles on the goldwing before it was sold and there were no apparent problems. I also used regular motor oil instead of the very expensive oil that honda recommended. My reasoning was to go cheaper and change the oil more often. If it costs $12 an oil change it will happen more often than if it cost $35.
too funny
Title: Incompetence Rules Thanks for the laughs. A filter is a filter is a filter.....too funny (they aren't, but who cares) I just read up on them in a boaty rag or on the net and they really are different. However, there are only a few manufactureres in the world,a nd they make private lables (Honda, Yanmar, etc.) right next to their label stuff. I ran an assembly line for MTD making chipper shredders. The lables included ToroWhite, MTD, Yardman and Craftsman. Same units, different paint, better blades on the upper end stuff. My point is you can find best quality filters at a auto parts store as welll as intermediate and cheap stuff. Search the net under Altavista and see if anyone can fond the article on the filters. Or, contact several auto parts stores and ask them about filters. You should find one person who can inform you.
Title: Incompetence Rules Thanks for the laughs. A filter is a filter is a filter.....too funny (they aren't, but who cares) I just read up on them in a boaty rag or on the net and they really are different. However, there are only a few manufactureres in the world,a nd they make private lables (Honda, Yanmar, etc.) right next to their label stuff. I ran an assembly line for MTD making chipper shredders. The lables included ToroWhite, MTD, Yardman and Craftsman. Same units, different paint, better blades on the upper end stuff. My point is you can find best quality filters at a auto parts store as welll as intermediate and cheap stuff. Search the net under Altavista and see if anyone can fond the article on the filters. Or, contact several auto parts stores and ask them about filters. You should find one person who can inform you.
I have 2 questions:
1. Who actually makes Yanmar OEM oil filters? I assume Yanmar does not, just like Hess does make gasoline. 2. Does anyone know of a failure, or failure rates, for Fram oil filters? They seem to be used in all sorts of gas and diesel engines and I've never heard of a valid complaint.
1. Who actually makes Yanmar OEM oil filters? I assume Yanmar does not, just like Hess does make gasoline. 2. Does anyone know of a failure, or failure rates, for Fram oil filters? They seem to be used in all sorts of gas and diesel engines and I've never heard of a valid complaint.
Bert, how do you "search" on that site?
Neat web site but I could not see how to do a search. Which forum discusses fuel filters?
Neat web site but I could not see how to do a search. Which forum discusses fuel filters?
Diesel Place Web Site
Just click on any of the underlined topics on the left to get into that subject. To search, look at the second row down, far right, opposite "FAQ"...you will see "Search." Click on that and type in what you want to find under "Title."
Just click on any of the underlined topics on the left to get into that subject. To search, look at the second row down, far right, opposite "FAQ"...you will see "Search." Click on that and type in what you want to find under "Title."
Erroneous Oil Filter Study
Don - That 'test report' has been around for quite a while and is essentially unsupported / misleading data/opinion. 1. The ONLY way to rate an oil filter is the by the industry standard "OSU - F10 (Oklahoma State University) partical reduction efficiency test (Beta values). 2. There are probably only about 3 paper mills in the entire USA which make the 'technical resinated paper' used in oil filters ..... everyone buys this paper from these three technical paper manufacturers. 3. Oil filters must be operated AT or below the manufacturers 'flux' rating (gallons per hour per differential pressure) or they will ALL pass particulate, especially deformable particulate. 4. Lubricating oil is filtered by whats known as 'recirculation filtration' .... meaning: using a very open pore structure paper to remove particles MUCH smaller than the 'rating' of the filter. A filter media will capture particles MUCH smaller than its 'pore' rating; you just have to recirculate it over and over through the same filter many times. As a filter get 'dirtier' it will remove even smaller and smalller particles - the 'dirt' forms a porous 'cake' and the 'cake' begins to do the filtration. With recirculation filtration one can use compressed pubic hair as the filter media if one recirculates the fluid often and 'fast' enough - a joke, but true. As one deeply involved in 'filtration engineering" my recommendation is: buy the LARGEST replacement filter cartridge that will physically fit onto the engine. Dont buy 'private branded filters' such as Mopar, Yanmar, ....they are all just especially made by others and carry an enormous 'mark up' for the entity that 'owns' the brand. Wix, Fram, Parker, Racor, etc. are ALL good filter manufacturers and have web-based 'equivalency' charts to select the proper filter when changing out from an obscenely overpriced 'private branded' filter element. Avoid the 'hype' websites comparing 'oil filters' .... are usually slick marketing hype that have hidden agendas that unfairly support one 'manufacturer' over another by listing 'slick', misleading and unsupported data that is unrelated to true filter 'efficiency'. These 'filter comparison' websites are simply "snakeoil" salesmen. Simply go to the above websites for comparisons or go to a 'good' auto supply shop and let them do the equivalent comparision into standard branded oil filters. For my Yanmar, Ive found Wix (from a NAPA auto supply) has the best prices for my geographical location. Buy the LARGEST physically sized filter you can fit.
Don - That 'test report' has been around for quite a while and is essentially unsupported / misleading data/opinion. 1. The ONLY way to rate an oil filter is the by the industry standard "OSU - F10 (Oklahoma State University) partical reduction efficiency test (Beta values). 2. There are probably only about 3 paper mills in the entire USA which make the 'technical resinated paper' used in oil filters ..... everyone buys this paper from these three technical paper manufacturers. 3. Oil filters must be operated AT or below the manufacturers 'flux' rating (gallons per hour per differential pressure) or they will ALL pass particulate, especially deformable particulate. 4. Lubricating oil is filtered by whats known as 'recirculation filtration' .... meaning: using a very open pore structure paper to remove particles MUCH smaller than the 'rating' of the filter. A filter media will capture particles MUCH smaller than its 'pore' rating; you just have to recirculate it over and over through the same filter many times. As a filter get 'dirtier' it will remove even smaller and smalller particles - the 'dirt' forms a porous 'cake' and the 'cake' begins to do the filtration. With recirculation filtration one can use compressed pubic hair as the filter media if one recirculates the fluid often and 'fast' enough - a joke, but true. As one deeply involved in 'filtration engineering" my recommendation is: buy the LARGEST replacement filter cartridge that will physically fit onto the engine. Dont buy 'private branded filters' such as Mopar, Yanmar, ....they are all just especially made by others and carry an enormous 'mark up' for the entity that 'owns' the brand. Wix, Fram, Parker, Racor, etc. are ALL good filter manufacturers and have web-based 'equivalency' charts to select the proper filter when changing out from an obscenely overpriced 'private branded' filter element. Avoid the 'hype' websites comparing 'oil filters' .... are usually slick marketing hype that have hidden agendas that unfairly support one 'manufacturer' over another by listing 'slick', misleading and unsupported data that is unrelated to true filter 'efficiency'. These 'filter comparison' websites are simply "snakeoil" salesmen. Simply go to the above websites for comparisons or go to a 'good' auto supply shop and let them do the equivalent comparision into standard branded oil filters. For my Yanmar, Ive found Wix (from a NAPA auto supply) has the best prices for my geographical location. Buy the LARGEST physically sized filter you can fit.
Isn't it true that some better oil filters have
an "Bypass Valve" (I don't know the technical term) So that when and if your oil filter clogs up too much it will at least pass oil. A cheaper filter doesn't incorporate the "Bypass Valve" and saves about $0.50 a filter I know....I know...Of course you should change the filter every 50-100 hours so this actually happening is very small
an "Bypass Valve" (I don't know the technical term) So that when and if your oil filter clogs up too much it will at least pass oil. A cheaper filter doesn't incorporate the "Bypass Valve" and saves about $0.50 a filter I know....I know...Of course you should change the filter every 50-100 hours so this actually happening is very small
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