standing rigging
- Thread starter brad minda
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pay attention. it's not mortyd's single incident but the fact the incident showed that catalina direct is selling parts of unknown origin and quality using the catalina name. you missing something? you don't own a pearson or cal; the real parts are available from the manufacturer. capisci?
Frankly, Morty, I don't think anyone gives a rip about what their name is. You're not helping forum readers if you're just stuck on the name.
I'm trying to give readers a more objective viewpoint.
I understand your theory, but it doesn't hold up in actual experience. My point is that time and again, over 15 years of Catalina ownership, CD has proven their good service and high quality products. Capisci?
Do you have any examples other than those silly fuel caps?
I'm trying to give readers a more objective viewpoint.
I understand your theory, but it doesn't hold up in actual experience. My point is that time and again, over 15 years of Catalina ownership, CD has proven their good service and high quality products. Capisci?
Do you have any examples other than those silly fuel caps?
i surrender.
i cannot and will not argue with faith in a web site that has never manufactured as much as a paper airplane.
it's your money.
i cannot and will not argue with faith in a web site that has never manufactured as much as a paper airplane.
it's your money.
Mortyd, not to belabor the point, but to understand your position, are you suggesting you only purchase from Catalina Yachts or their vendors or manufacturers? Are concerns like West Marine, Defender, Annapolis Performance Sailing, Landfall Navigation, among others all unapproved venders because they mere merchants and not manufacturers?
no, hvbaker. i puchase from many sources including some you have named. but none of them call themselves catalina, and aren't.
for example, my garhauer travleler and mainsheet are far superior to what catalina delivered my boat with.
just today i got a new telescoping davis boat hook from defender.
i just get tired of people defending a web site that sells whatever it can get away with, and really want to finish with this. so guys, if you want to buy ferrari parts from a yugo dealer, go ahead.
i just have no idea how you know what you are getting from catalina direct, and neither do you.
for example, my garhauer travleler and mainsheet are far superior to what catalina delivered my boat with.
just today i got a new telescoping davis boat hook from defender.
i just get tired of people defending a web site that sells whatever it can get away with, and really want to finish with this. so guys, if you want to buy ferrari parts from a yugo dealer, go ahead.
i just have no idea how you know what you are getting from catalina direct, and neither do you.
Morty,
I don't think there is any misrepresentation in their name. I think you are taking it as a personal affront rather than having an actual problem. Parts dealers exist in all domains.
What Catalina Direct does is specialize in sourcing parts so you don't have to go find them yourself. My girlfriend works for a company like this for the aircraft industry, yeah like the Boeing example. They gets parts from loads of sources, and those parts are incorporated into loads of planes, Boeing included. Does Boeing do anything special to those parts once they get them? No not really other than going through some QA processes assuring that the parts meet minimum specs, but other than that, the parts could have come from east jabib for all Boeing knows. All they know is that they bought the parts from my girlfriend. Name doesn't have a thing to do with it.
Sure you can say that they aren't Catalina yachts certified parts, but that claim is not being made by a name.
I don't think there is any misrepresentation in their name. I think you are taking it as a personal affront rather than having an actual problem. Parts dealers exist in all domains.
What Catalina Direct does is specialize in sourcing parts so you don't have to go find them yourself. My girlfriend works for a company like this for the aircraft industry, yeah like the Boeing example. They gets parts from loads of sources, and those parts are incorporated into loads of planes, Boeing included. Does Boeing do anything special to those parts once they get them? No not really other than going through some QA processes assuring that the parts meet minimum specs, but other than that, the parts could have come from east jabib for all Boeing knows. All they know is that they bought the parts from my girlfriend. Name doesn't have a thing to do with it.
Sure you can say that they aren't Catalina yachts certified parts, but that claim is not being made by a name.
right, all boeing does is 'inspect the parts to see they meet minimum specs.' how trivial.
all i wanted to do is alert people that catalina direct is NOT catalina yachts, and i guess i've done that.
all i wanted to do is alert people that catalina direct is NOT catalina yachts, and i guess i've done that.
Mort,
You have the opportunity to do inspect them as well, just because most individuals don't does NOT change the fact that a sourcer is just a sourcer and its up to the buyer to determine suitability.
No one is making any claims, it's just you who has taken an affront.
I'm not worthy of being compared to a legendary Greek general, but at least you compared me to the good guy
Enough diversion, back to Brad's original post.
Even though I strongly support CD, I would prefer to work with a local rigger for this. My boat is an '82, and who knows how the rigging has diverged from original production. A local guy can come out and compensate for all the nuances, even if it only comes up during installation. He would be completely responsible for seeing that the job is right.
If you don't have access to a local shop, you'll have to go with standard specs, or do measurements yourself. You may encounter some problems, but it can all be worked out, even with a remote supplier.
Best of luck.
Even though I strongly support CD, I would prefer to work with a local rigger for this. My boat is an '82, and who knows how the rigging has diverged from original production. A local guy can come out and compensate for all the nuances, even if it only comes up during installation. He would be completely responsible for seeing that the job is right.
If you don't have access to a local shop, you'll have to go with standard specs, or do measurements yourself. You may encounter some problems, but it can all be worked out, even with a remote supplier.
Best of luck.
thanks jim, but i still will never understand the resistance on this web site to this guy just calling CATALINA YACHTS, the folk who built his boat. among other things, i like to follow boat reviews and catalina scores consistent praise for constantly upgrading what they put in their boats. i have never once seen a downgrade mentioned.
I just briefly read through this thread. Mortyd probably has had suggestions as to where he should put the deck filler caps. I have had good results from Catalina Direct (Ken?) on a Catalina 27. I now have a C 30 and will use CD but I will check prices from other sources also.
For the OP to change the rigging and take it from Ch I to SF within a months time he needs to check everything out. Especially the inboard engine, that will be needed for the prevailing N->S winds.
Neil
For the OP to change the rigging and take it from Ch I to SF within a months time he needs to check everything out. Especially the inboard engine, that will be needed for the prevailing N->S winds.
Neil
I had our 1984 C-30 standing rigging replaced in 2010 through Catalina Direct. They want you to send your original rigging to them for duplication.
I sent them shrouds and backstays only, that is. I had a recommended, local rigger redo the headstay and do the maintenance on the Furlex furler. But, I had one very important problem with Catalina Direct. My original backstay tang used a 3/8" pin and the backstay bridle pair used the smaller 5/16" pins. The original backstay "3-way" tang had the 2 different hole sizes properly arranged. Catalina Direct sent all of the backstay rigging back using 3/8" fittings. When I inquired why they changed from the original, they suggested that I could continue to use the 5/16 pins in their 3/8" holes!. I was floored! No way would the loading be appropriate or the small pin shouldered in the larger hole correctly. I chose the correct solution: buy a new backstay 3-way tang from CD having all 3/8" holes and using 3/8" pins. Going around with them about this change delayed the installation by two weeks. Of course you can install backstay and shrouds yourself.
I sent them shrouds and backstays only, that is. I had a recommended, local rigger redo the headstay and do the maintenance on the Furlex furler. But, I had one very important problem with Catalina Direct. My original backstay tang used a 3/8" pin and the backstay bridle pair used the smaller 5/16" pins. The original backstay "3-way" tang had the 2 different hole sizes properly arranged. Catalina Direct sent all of the backstay rigging back using 3/8" fittings. When I inquired why they changed from the original, they suggested that I could continue to use the 5/16 pins in their 3/8" holes!. I was floored! No way would the loading be appropriate or the small pin shouldered in the larger hole correctly. I chose the correct solution: buy a new backstay 3-way tang from CD having all 3/8" holes and using 3/8" pins. Going around with them about this change delayed the installation by two weeks. Of course you can install backstay and shrouds yourself.