My wife and I have had our boat for about 4 months now and we had it surveyed. When we had it surveyed the guy pointed out a couple of small issues with the standing rigging. Mainly just areas where the lines connected to the deck the hardware wasn't centered so there was pressure being exerted on the cotter pin. He gave me sme suggestions on how to fix this, but I really have no idea what I am doing. Where would I look to find someone come look ove my standing rigging and fix the few small issues. I really don't trust the yard guys. The boat is a Hunter 25.5 1985 and its located in Bayshore, NY. Thanks, Jeremy
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Who can you trust?
If you can't trust "the yard guys" who can you trust? That's like saying, "I need my car fixed but I don't trust Mechanics" or "I don't feel really well, but I don't trust Doctors" (well maybe you would have something there)... Is there a rigging shop near you?
If you can't trust "the yard guys" who can you trust? That's like saying, "I need my car fixed but I don't trust Mechanics" or "I don't feel really well, but I don't trust Doctors" (well maybe you would have something there)... Is there a rigging shop near you?
Get a copy of Riggers Apprentice by
Brian Toss. Easy to learn and do it yourself. www.amazon.com/gp/product/0070648409/103-1229357-4956609?v=glance&n=283155 I wouldnt trust just about ANY 'yard guy' ... "too many experts", too high a per hour rate, not enough 'craftmanship' nor care.
Brian Toss. Easy to learn and do it yourself. www.amazon.com/gp/product/0070648409/103-1229357-4956609?v=glance&n=283155 I wouldnt trust just about ANY 'yard guy' ... "too many experts", too high a per hour rate, not enough 'craftmanship' nor care.
RichH is dead on....
Excellent recommendation of Toss' book. Nigel Calder has a good one called "Boatowners Mechanical and Electrical Manual". Standing Rigging is cover from pp. 748 - 766. You don't really say what's wrong with your rigging, so it's hard to know what to suggest. I can only assume from your original comment that you are not much of a do-it-yourselfer, in which case you may be in for some rather steep yard bills. Why don't you call the surveyor back and ask him (see if you can pay him in beer) to re-review your boat and to be more specific on what needs fixing and how to do it.
Excellent recommendation of Toss' book. Nigel Calder has a good one called "Boatowners Mechanical and Electrical Manual". Standing Rigging is cover from pp. 748 - 766. You don't really say what's wrong with your rigging, so it's hard to know what to suggest. I can only assume from your original comment that you are not much of a do-it-yourselfer, in which case you may be in for some rather steep yard bills. Why don't you call the surveyor back and ask him (see if you can pay him in beer) to re-review your boat and to be more specific on what needs fixing and how to do it.
I have
Friends that own a small rigging business and the stories that they can tell about shoddy work by poorly trained yard people is worthy of a book. Reading Brian Toss will be a good place to start. At the very least you will know the language of the craft. It is entirely posible to rerig a boat by yourself if you are careful and methodical. The question I like to ask is; how fast do you earn money and how fast will you have to spend it if you hire the work out?
Friends that own a small rigging business and the stories that they can tell about shoddy work by poorly trained yard people is worthy of a book. Reading Brian Toss will be a good place to start. At the very least you will know the language of the craft. It is entirely posible to rerig a boat by yourself if you are careful and methodical. The question I like to ask is; how fast do you earn money and how fast will you have to spend it if you hire the work out?
Yeah, but......your own work may be really crappy.
Maybe you can't trust the yard guys, but your own work may be really really bad too. You won't know until you give it a good honest try. I would suggest reading up on some of the good reference material as suggested in the prior posts, and try it out on some easier ones. Then have another boater, a qualified one, look it over. If the results are decent, then keep going with the tougher ones. If the results are really crappy, then a yard guy may not be so bad after all. I do a lot of my own work. Some decent, but some others I am not really satisfied with. The 1st time I worked on a diesel engine, I didn’t. I hired a Yanmar diesel mechanic and had him do the 1st major maintenance. I also video taped him doing the work, and asked him to explain to the video what and why he was doing, and what were the best way to do it. That tape became my reference material, on my engine. Worth every penny I spent. The 1st gelcoat repair, I also had it done at a yard, and watched him closely to learn. I then did the subsequent ones, and they all came out pretty decent. I would still have them do the major ones, and luckily I haven’t needed any. Learning to do the work yourself is fun, saves money, and feels good about it at the same time. But if you are born with 2 left hands, a yard guy may not be too bad of an alternative. I have seen some work done by the boat owner, and they were pretty bad. As Inspector Calahan says..."you gotta know your limitations" ;d
Maybe you can't trust the yard guys, but your own work may be really really bad too. You won't know until you give it a good honest try. I would suggest reading up on some of the good reference material as suggested in the prior posts, and try it out on some easier ones. Then have another boater, a qualified one, look it over. If the results are decent, then keep going with the tougher ones. If the results are really crappy, then a yard guy may not be so bad after all. I do a lot of my own work. Some decent, but some others I am not really satisfied with. The 1st time I worked on a diesel engine, I didn’t. I hired a Yanmar diesel mechanic and had him do the 1st major maintenance. I also video taped him doing the work, and asked him to explain to the video what and why he was doing, and what were the best way to do it. That tape became my reference material, on my engine. Worth every penny I spent. The 1st gelcoat repair, I also had it done at a yard, and watched him closely to learn. I then did the subsequent ones, and they all came out pretty decent. I would still have them do the major ones, and luckily I haven’t needed any. Learning to do the work yourself is fun, saves money, and feels good about it at the same time. But if you are born with 2 left hands, a yard guy may not be too bad of an alternative. I have seen some work done by the boat owner, and they were pretty bad. As Inspector Calahan says..."you gotta know your limitations" ;d
Not too local, but they're good
Across the water from you in Stamford CT. is Hathaway, Reiser & Raymond. They've been rigging boats for a long time, and have a positive track record on things like the Newport Bermuda race as well as one-design masts & rigging. Give them call & see if they can't help you.
Across the water from you in Stamford CT. is Hathaway, Reiser & Raymond. They've been rigging boats for a long time, and have a positive track record on things like the Newport Bermuda race as well as one-design masts & rigging. Give them call & see if they can't help you.
You can work with skill
or you can work slowly and carefully with or without a mentor and learn to do a careful and compentent job. Find an old experienced sailor and ask him to teach you but let you do the work. As the saying goes anyone can splice a rope they even teach sailors to do it.
or you can work slowly and carefully with or without a mentor and learn to do a careful and compentent job. Find an old experienced sailor and ask him to teach you but let you do the work. As the saying goes anyone can splice a rope they even teach sailors to do it.
Post a pic ...
If you post a photo or two of what concerns you, I'd be happy to offer an opinion. I'm a rigger.
If you post a photo or two of what concerns you, I'd be happy to offer an opinion. I'm a rigger.
Hire a good rigger.
Jeremy: Hire yourself a good rigger. Show him what your surveyor pointed out and have him tune the rig. Be there when he/she does the work. This is some of the cheapest education you can purchase. Your boat may even sail better when they get done. If you are looking for a rigger, ask around and get some references.
Jeremy: Hire yourself a good rigger. Show him what your surveyor pointed out and have him tune the rig. Be there when he/she does the work. This is some of the cheapest education you can purchase. Your boat may even sail better when they get done. If you are looking for a rigger, ask around and get some references.
Mike Robinson
Mike is a good rigger, but he's in Bayside. http://www.riggersworld.com/ I keep my boat at a Yard in Bay Shore, and I'll be happy to give your boat a look-see. You can call me at 631-375-9718. Cheers, Peter
Mike is a good rigger, but he's in Bayside. http://www.riggersworld.com/ I keep my boat at a Yard in Bay Shore, and I'll be happy to give your boat a look-see. You can call me at 631-375-9718. Cheers, Peter
Yo, Ross
Do your friends in Perryville have any colleagues to recommend for the lower Bay, ie. Hampton Roads? bodonovan@vagazette.com
Do your friends in Perryville have any colleagues to recommend for the lower Bay, ie. Hampton Roads? bodonovan@vagazette.com
Standing rigging
Available to take a look. Call me at 718 428-4610 or email mike@riggersworld.com
Available to take a look. Call me at 718 428-4610 or email mike@riggersworld.com
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