%&*$# Stanchion Leak !

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Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
During my pre-launch check I find out my VHF isn't receiving. Hmm, is it the radio or the antenna wiring? I try the FM radio which is split off the same antenna. No reception. I debate dropping the mast for a nano-second before deciding I can get through the season with a handheld VHF and deal with it in the fall.

Fast forward to two weekends ago. We get to the boat in a deluge. Thunder, lightning, animals are lining up 2x2 on the dock. By the time we get everything loaded on board I notice the carpet is wet by the nav station. Not a big deal with the hatch open in that kind of rain. I curl up in the aft berth and try unsuccessfully to sleep through the storm.

The next morning I notice the corner of my bunk feels wet. I roll out of the bunk to get coffee going and plant my feet in a puddle on the carpet. :cussing:

After the second cup of coffee I'm ready to deal with it. I grab a flashlight and start pulling things off the shelf and feeling around for dampness. The first thing I notice is there's a line of water down along the outside of the breaker panel. Then that the antenna splitter is full of water.

I kill the shore power breaker and all the DC circuits and start looking behind the panel. Dry as a bone. Next all the cushions come out and I twist into a positions that no grown man should ever try. The water is dripping down from the center bolt of the double stanchion just aft of the fuse panel. The stanchion the cockpit lifeline gates tie into. To get to the bolt all the aft teak trim, and the bead board hull liner have to come out. To get the bead board liner out I have to remove the trim ring for the fixed portlight in the aft bunk. :cussing:

Hmm, the portlight should be held in by more than two bolts right? There should be an internal flange and 5200 in there right? I don't like the way my lucks been going so I decide to play it safe. I get a buddy to run three strips of gaffer's tape over the portlight and hold a hand against it while I pull out the inner flange and hull liner. Success. There is an inner flange and squeeze out from 5200/4200.

But now that it's opened up I can see that what I thought might be two machine screws on the stanchion are indeed through bolts. Even worse are the nuts for the forward leg of the stanchion. The breaker panel is a molded piece fiberglassed into the boat against the hull and deck. The nuts are behind this molded fiberglass assembly.

My buddy departs with a beer to go sailing. I depart for home to get a dremel and roto-zip.

Three hours later I'm back on the boat. The roto-zip is too big so I'm cutting in with the dremel. Since I'm blind cutting in behind an electrical panel I've got all the power off. So no air conditioning. It's 105 degrees below deck according to the bulkhead thermometer.

Every 10 minutes I'm getting text messages from a third friend telling me how great the sailing is out on the bay.

I'm pretty sure I can see to it they'll never find his body.

Did I mention I hate boats.

15 minutes into the job I've burned out the first dremel bit. A quick mental calculation tells me I'll go through about 10 dremel bits at this rate. I try a flexible drill extension on the roto-zip. It gets me into the tight spot and makes quick work of the fiberglass but it overheats almost immediately. It's not designed to work at this speed. Off to Home Depot.

On the dremel isle I find a chuck that will allow me to use 1/8th inch roto-zip bits in a dremel. Yes! :dance:

With my new chuck and a couple of bits I head back to the boat. The bulkhead thermometer says the temperature has dropped to 104 degrees. Things are looking up!

I finally get the fiberglass lip ground back and I can reach the nuts. Of course I cut through a 12v wire despite the fact that I've carefully tied back every wire I can find by feel. But I'm finally over the hump right?

With all the nuts finally off I wiggle the stanchion back and forth to break the bond on the 4200 or whatever was used to seal it. Goof off and a scraper gets the sealer off the stanchion base and I set to work with a sharp 5-1 tool to get it out of the diamond pattern in the non-skid. I'm sitting on the narrowest part of the side deck with my feet on the spring line in the beating sun. I'd like to say I found some kind of a zen state while I was cleaning out the non-skid but I'm pretty sure it was sun stroke.

Finally done I go below and down a whole Gatorade in a single gulp and sit for a few minutes. Then back on deck to spluge a bit of sealer under the stanchion base and under the bolts and reset everything. Below I tighten down the 3/4" nut that holds the stanchion in place then start on the outboard bolts. The two rear nuts go on easily. I hold the nuts in place with a wrench while the wife tightens the from above with a screwdriver.

The front two are another story.

I've only been able to open up an area slightly thicker than my oversized paws. Getting the nuts on is another painful contortion but one of the nuts simply refuses to thread. %#$*#! :cussing:

The sealer is beginning to set up. I finally pull the two front bolts back out and find one has damaged threads. Back in the car I head back to Homer Depot looking like a drowned rat from sweat and covered with fine fiberglass dust. I prefer not to contemplate the odor.

The new bolts and nuts do the trick. I button everything back together. Bolt the interior in place. Remove the gaffer tape from the hull and solder the 12v wire.

With the wire repaired I kick the power back on. The inside of the antenna splitter is coroded so the stanchion has been leaking unnoticed for quite a while. I hook the antenna directly to the VHF and the WX channel comes in crystal clear. :dance:

It's getting dark so the temperature on board is down to at least 98 degrees. I flip on the air conditioner which begins to blow mercifully cold air. I crack the day's first beer. Things are beginning to look up. Just a few teak trim pieces to screw back into place.

Then I hear an alarm code from the air conditioner. I spent a whole day the previous weekend troubleshooting the damn thing and finally figured out that mud wasps had set up shop inside the unit over the winter completely clogging the cooling lines with a cement like nest. High pressure water finally dislodged a surprisingly large nest from the bowels of the compressor. Now it flashes E1 and shuts down. It's sucked something up into the seacock that's blocking the water flow.

Did I mention that I hate boats?

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May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Ouch! That is a string of bad luck. I have had one of those strings before. Not sure if you are superstitious but my streak ended when I took down a certain flag that I will never fly again on my boat!
 
Jan 6, 2010
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J,

How many previous projects/fixes have you done ending with the line "I HATE BOATS"? I know we've all been there. Some projects just seem to create other unforseen projects, problems & field fixes.

Not having to do your fix with you, this was very enjoyable reading. There was however no metion of blood. I know there was some, I know this for a fact as I always seem to bleed for my boat. As in any good story, Sex could have been introduced to the story line if you had said "I HATE F****N BOATS".

At least there was Zen victory out of the ashes pal.......

CR
 
Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
Ouch! That is a string of bad luck. I have had one of those strings before. Not sure if you are superstitious but my streak ended when I took down a certain flag that I will never fly again on my boat!
I think the bad luck is the %$&%# air conditioner. I'm heading down today to plumb in two permanant flush ports so I can use dockside water to flush both the compressor and the supply side.

Can somebody from the New Orleans area please send me a grigri I can hang on the thing? I pretty damn sure it's possessed by this little ba$tard.

 
Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
J,
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Not having to do your fix with you, this was very enjoyable reading. There was however no metion of blood. I know there was some, I know this for a fact as I always seem to bleed for my boat. As in any good story, Sex could have been introduced to the story line if you had said "I HATE F****N BOATS".

At least there was Zen victory out of the ashes pal.......

CR
Ron, thanks for the compliment. Small jagged fiberglass hole, my big paws, heck a little blood was a given but not enough to mention.

Now as for introducing sex into the story; the inside temp was over 100 degrees and by the end of the day I smelled like a wet yak and was covered in fiberglass dust.

Now if you can't understand why there was no romantic interlude I need to sit you down and explain some things about wives... :D
 
Nov 24, 2011
95
Catalina 30 San Diego
LOL. I got a big smile from all the above posts. Not because of your ordeal, but because I think everyone here can identify with it. I loved Capt. Ron's comments as I know when I bleed I am getting the job done right. No blood, may have to redo it. Sorry to hear about all the hassle fixing a leak, at least you were able to find it, it only took a deluge to locate it. But also that of course you couldn't just put a wrench on a bolt but had to do some grinding first with the tools you have,which aren't the ones you need. I guess the bottom line is misery loves company. For some reason there is comfort in knowing I am not the only one that has these problems keeping my boat in ship shape
I have a very nasty letter I wrote to that Murphy guy but can't find his address. Shouldn't it be posted on all those laws he passed?
 
Jun 29, 2011
142
Catalina 30 Mk II Gibsons
X2 on Brad's comments, BTW, I wrote a letter to Mr. Murphy also, got the complete message in two words.
 
Jan 6, 2010
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Jimm, Bad, Cor, Brad,

You all have added great posts here.
This is the type of thread that hits home & gives us membership
in an exclusive club. A melding of similiar minds.

I like that we finally touched on that Basterd MURPHY.
I don't believe in ghosts, but maybe there are aliens.
But, this Murphy guy needs to be stopped. He lives & breathes
among us while staying invisible.

If I ever catch his ass in an elevator, I'll beat the daylights out of him.
He's the same guy that when you're in the middle of a difficult problem & given two options, he'll talk you into the bad one.

I tell folks that sometimes I feel my middle name is Murphy.
The sad part is I'll bet he doesn't even OWN a boat, so he just likes to make us miserable.

CR
 
Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
I think it's all part of owning a boat, an old car, a motorcycle, a house -- take your pick. Hell, lately I keep catching myself looking at 40-41 Ford "project" trucks because I don't have enough things in my life to drive me crazy. :doh:

Looking back, for some reason I seem to have the fondest memories of the vehicles that required the most cursing and blood donations.

Not sure what that says about my mental capacity... :D
 
Feb 26, 2008
603
Catalina 30 Marathon, FL
Oh, and Capt Ron. Murphy is the guy wispering in my ear "Just give that bolt another quarter turn..."

Then POP! :cussing:
 
Dec 1, 2011
75
Catalina 1984 C30 Tall Rig Bow Sprit MD
This is excellent information for when I do mine later this year. Thinking about it I have a case of beer ready for you if you will come by and show me how you did yours. I am willing to stand on deck and operate the screwdriver.
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
I know that I'm gonna be in for some stanchion leaks now, cause some moron banged up along side of me in his fat powerboat while we were anchored out watching the fireworks on the 4th at Yorktown, Va. His big ass bow roller smacked up my center stanchion pretty good. I guess I wasn't the only one out there with a lot of chain & rode paid out on the anchor. I had to straighten out the upper half of the bent stanchion the next day.
A 2" x 4" clamped to the center, top & bottom of the post with heavy duty c clamps works pretty good to straighten them out.. But I know I'm gonna pay for it with a leak down the road! time to rebed 'em I reckon.
 

Bob S

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Sep 27, 2007
1,805
Beneteau 393 New Bedford, MA
I did the six single stanchions a few years ago over the winter because I had 2 leaking and one with a blocked vent (holding tank) so I did them all. The one Jim did looked like a nightmare and they weren't leaking so I didn't even try.
Good Job!!! Access is always an issue, it's amazing how we can manage to twist ourselves when we need to.
 

jrowan

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Mar 5, 2011
1,294
O'Day 35 Severn River, Mobjack Bay, Va.
No I didn't get the name on his boat Stu. But thanks for asking. Honestly he came across my bow so fast I hardly had time to react. I was more concerned about my kids & passengers getting snagged by his bow roller coming right for us! I figure I'd rather have my stanchion bent a lil then him taking out my main shroud & rig! He booked off while I was dealing with getting his anchor rode off of mine. When stuff happens in the dark, I guess you just react differently. I didn't even cuss at him - I just wanted his boat away from mine so no one would get hurt or badly damaged. Better to keep a cool head in an emergency. I have to be more careful on the 4th of July. Something always happens when we go out to see the fireworks on the water. There were so many boats out on the river you could walk across 'em! I guess all's well that ends well.
 

igor

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Sep 25, 2008
36
Catalina 30 Baltimore
Jim - Thank you for making a 5 am wake up so worth it! Reading this post while the lady is getting ready. Made me feel alive!
 
Sep 25, 2008
108
Catalina 30 MKIII Beach Haven
"Every 10 minutes I'm getting text messages from a third friend telling me how great the sailing is out on the bay. I'm pretty sure I can see to it they'll never find his body"

Should I be worried?
 
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