stainless steel expert advice needed, please....

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stpabr

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Nov 3, 2010
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Newport 28II Chesapeake Bay, MD
Just assisted with replacing chainplates on a 47 Vagabond, which gave out on a return trip from the Abacos to the Chessy Bay. Aquired 304 from a steel yard. Had to put a miner bend in and drill the holes. went from 5/16" to 3/8" just because we could.

Best for chainplates is a minimal angle. I asume the Formosa is outside the hull and bends around the Railcap. Never liked that, even in viewing from afar. If yo could go straight through the Cap then bend to the angle required.

Good luck,
 

zeehag

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Mar 26, 2009
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1976 formosa 41 yankee clipper santa barbara. ca.(not there)
Just assisted with replacing chainplates on a 47 Vagabond, which gave out on a return trip from the Abacos to the Chessy Bay. Aquired 304 from a steel yard. Had to put a miner bend in and drill the holes. went from 5/16" to 3/8" just because we could.

Best for chainplates is a minimal angle. I asume the Formosa is outside the hull and bends around the Railcap. Never liked that, even in viewing from afar. If yo could go straight through the Cap then bend to the angle required.

Good luck,
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ed zachary--my same identical and imprecise sedimentary reactions ...lol thankyou!! my cap is skinny enough i can in all good conscience , hole it to do this without considering it jeeking the teakwoods..lol... thankye for the reinforce-ment..!!!!
 
Sep 25, 2008
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C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Scott,
Point loading only occurs before any load is applied. Once the load is applied the material starts to elastically deform bringing more surface area into contact. Pretty simple math. For point loading the Area is close to zero so Stress = F/A. As A approaches zero stress approaches infinity. Infinite stress assures elastic and plastic deformation until the Area increases enough to handle the load. Stainless is highly ductile so the material deforms easily but it cold works also so once deformed it can't be easily worked any more without heat treating to remove the residual internal stresses. If point loading of a chain concerns you I'd get rid of the chain on your anchor :>) maybe replace it with a cable instead.
The chain on the anchor is mainly to weigh it down and help stave off any abrasion.
I just don't think a chain for a chain plate is best. If you are redoing something why not use the best instead of satisfactory?
 

njsail

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Feb 18, 2010
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Bavaria Ocean 40 CC Forked River
I'm not an metallurgist but in another group we had many discussions on stainless chain plates. 304 stainless was used on many older models for chain plates. 304 s/s is a good weldable material that is/was used a great deal in the marine environment. It is not as resistant to corrosion as 316 stainless steel, but is a stronger alloy (size to strength) than 316. When the
earlier models were built the industry as a whole believed strength was the more important issue and 304 was the universal choice.

These are just a few thoughts on chain plate s/s. Good luck with your project.
 

njsail

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Feb 18, 2010
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Bavaria Ocean 40 CC Forked River
I forgot to mention I believe most newer production boats are made with 316 stainless these days vs 304. Please note there are different variations of 304 s/s as well. 304L or 316L (special low carbon version of 304 and 316). If you need to weld any part of the chain plate you get into the type/method of weld in relation to the metal type. Now you have a few extra data points to research and contemplate in your quest. Some chain plates are much easier to replace than others. Hopefully you have easy access to all you need.
 
Feb 1, 2007
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Auckland NZ
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Advice on the internet is worth more or less what you pay for it. If you want the expert advice your OP suggests, you will find it from a metals engineer... either pay fairly for a quick consult, or try talking to a steel outfit like Sandvik with a view to sourcing their product, they will be happy to advise - and will have people that actually know what they're talking about.

My opinion if you want it, based on limited professional experience with stainless steels in the marine environment, is to stay away from the 3xx series, including 316/L. The leisure marine industry has habitualized its use of 316 as a "marine grade", with production boat builders using it for no reason other than they always have. You then end up replacing chain plates after 10 years - go figure.

For many applications, and I would suggest chain plates is one, 316 is quite inappropriate to use on boats. It's PREN (pitting resistance) value is way too low, as are its critical crevice and pitting temperature points, it's too prone to stress cracking, too vulnerable to chlorides.
(p.s.: do not use 304)

I would use a duplex plate, 2205 is a standard, a super duplex like 2507 would be nice but expensive. All duplexes have better corrosion properties than 316, elevated PRENs and resistance to SCC, and far superior mechanical properties. They are more expensive, but also double the strength, which means you can cut weight and reduce section sizes, so design cost on a strength-for-strength basis can probably be kept similar.

I could go on but Google will quickly give you product sheets from the likes of Sandvik. At the risk of repeating myself, be sure to qualify advice you receive.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Or you could just use bronze.
 
May 9, 2006
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Beneteau 373 Mystic, CT
rgranger:

Attached is a picture of a 373 Beneteau under construction showing the chain plate attachment points prior to the installation of the deck and the thru deck connectors.
 

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Nov 6, 2006
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Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Of course you are correct, Craig.. the only problem is finding a scrap of 2205/07 in a configuration suitable for chainplates.. It is readily available in tube which is used in heat exchangers with high chloride exposure and too hot for bronze; but not so readily available in ~5/16” plate or strap.. The 316 is not optimal, by any means, but it is suitable if properly applied (sealing and inspection) and much more common in the size needed for chainplate.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Proper engineering requires that material be selected for the best fit between cost duribility and application. Going with the duplex alloys in stainless steel is over kill and would be like using gold plating when chromium plating would serve equally well. For a few hundred years wrought iron was used as chain plates and kept painted. Galvanized steel or cor-ten steel could also be used but 316L stainless is a valid choice when all factors are considered.
 
Sep 25, 2008
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Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
Just to stay on topic: Many sailors prefer 304 over 316 because, size-for-size, it is stronger; but it rusts more easily.

The real reason of the post: Zehag, are you planning to still make posts here after you shove off?
 
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