Splicing in an extra battery

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srojoe

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Jul 19, 2007
21
Hunter 28.5 Watts Bar Lake
New battery, old battery, it doesn't matter!

Gentlemen, I work in a power house where we use several banks of batteries from 48V to 250V which utilize "cells" linked in series and parallel to raise the capacity and voltage to that which is required for the application. We change out cells frequently when performing periodic maintenance. Electrolyte levels, voltage levels, specific gravity is measured once a week on our critical batteries. Periodically we put the batteries on equalize to correct both individual cell voltages and the total battery voltage. Otherwise, we float a charger on the batteries and allow the charger to carry the load typically. I have worked in the power house for over 20 years and I would bet that some of the cells in a couple of the batteries have been there even before I got there. Life of the battery/cell is dependent upon several things. Maintenance is critical, keeping the water levels at the proper point, maintaing the voltage level within a certain band. Typically, a fully charged battery voltage is not 12 volts (for our boats or vehicles) but is about 13.2 or so volts depending upon the specific gravity of the individual cells. I suggest that everyone obtain a voltage monitoring device and ensure at the end of the day or week, or use of the boat, that the batteries are returned to the fully charged state. One other thing that is done with our batteries is to periodically discharge the battery to a very low level and then return the battery to a fully charged state. My take is that you can parallel any and all batteries you want just use common sense and try to make sure you are using similar rated batteries. Don't connect in series because the voltage will step up. Buy an automatic battery charger and connect it to your batteries and turn it on. Turn it off when you are gone from the boat for extended times just to be safe. Check the water level in your batteries frequently. You never know when the alternator or charger may go goofy and over charge your batteries and boil them dry. That equals heat and possible fire. Bad day at Black Rock!
 

BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
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Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
Tapping paralleled batteries....

I looked at Nigel Calder's book, and he recommends wiring from 'opposite ends' of the parallel bank, but at the same time, his diagram (1-17 if you have the book) shows the load wired from one end. The text recommends 'opposite ends' to assure that all batteries are charged equally. On the technical side, the voltage drop across 2 feet of 1/0 wire with a 50 amp load calculates out at .02 volts DC. At 100 amps it's .04. I think that's negligible, especially given that even charger float voltage well in excess of .04 over typical battery open circuit voltage. One related recommendation from the book is to put the load and supply connections on opposite ends of the bank. Reason: any perturbations (alternator hiccups, etc) will be filtered through the batteries and not be presented to your equipment. srojoe, glad to hear from someone with similar large battery bank experiences. Not too surprised you have cells over 20 years old - those big ones are designed for 20 year life, and if well taken care of, will last longer. I am curious about one thing: you mentioned that your batteries get a periodic maintenance 'deep discharge' cycle, which astounds me! I'm assuming they are lead-calcium design, and I can't think of ANY possible reason to discharge them deliberately.... discharge is the mortal enemy of batteries, and the deeper the cycle, the more damage done. Just for my own knowledge, can you explain why this is done? Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
 
Nov 27, 2005
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- - West Des Moines, Iowa
Even Trojan says to wire up parallel batteries

Like Gord described http://www.trojan-battery.com/Tech-Support/TechologyLibrary/ConnectionsDiagram.aspx If its good enough for Trojan Batteries its good enough for me Joe don't know what he is talking about - he hears a storyand before you know it it becomes an urban legend. Like the outdated 'myth' about leaving batteries on concrete floors. If a fire started on a boat around the batteries there was probably other reasons for it and not specifically because its in parallel
 

srojoe

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Jul 19, 2007
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Hunter 28.5 Watts Bar Lake
Why we discharge our batteries

Our "critical" batteries have to be checked periodically, typically every eighteen months, to demonstrate that the battery is capable of carrying the design loads for a specified period of time should the battery be the sole source of energy. We depend upon DC to operate large 6900V and 480V load breakers to large pumps and other valves and equipment such as 120VAC inverters which in turn power up a lot of instrumentation and control systems. These batteries would have to carry the load to all this to ensure we can operate critical equipment is certain circumstances for a certain period of time.
 
Nov 12, 2006
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Catalina 36 Bainbridge Island
Well, Heath

Did you learn anything here, or are you lost? This thread has gone quite in depth on paralleling batteries, and Joe has been debunked. I personally have 4 6 volt batteries, and a G27 starting battery. Two 6 volts are wired in series to make a 225 AH 12 volt battery, and the total house bank is 450 AH when they are paralleled, which is every time we are on the hook. I also charge them in parallel with the alternator (and sometimes all three are parallel to charge). Just add another battery to either battery one, or two and use that as a house bank. Ideally they should be about the same size i.e. group 24, group 27, group 30 (31), D4, D8, but you can mix like add a group 27, or 30 (31) to a group 24. All of the batteries must be of the same technology i.e flodded, AGM, or gel.
 
Jul 20, 2007
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- - Lexington, KY
wow

Been a week since I read a couple of the initial responses and this thing has gone pretty bizerk I'm happy to see! Won't be able to tackle this stuff till I'm more awake. I'm just writing to say thanks.
 
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Patrick

Mark, what size alternator do you have.?

Mark has a similar setup to mine, but I have no additional starter battery.Question for Mrk, what size alternator do you have,what do you have for a regulator? thanks, a very good thread.
 

BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
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Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
Oh, you meant a 'load test'....

I understand now. Take a battery bank off-line and hook it up to a load bank, drain it for a specified time while monitoring closely. Our batteries were rated to supply critical loads for 8 hours - that wasn't a problem for the DC stuff, but on the inverters, the Egyptians had the habit of plugging EVERYTHING into 'critical equipment only' outlets. :) We also had 3 diesel generators at each site, so in practice the battery bank only had to supply the load for a few seconds (if the automatic start worked) to a few minutes (if they had to go out to the gen shed to get one going). Patrick, be careful.... once you admit you don't have a dedicated starting battery, you'll be branded as a heretic. ;D (you're not alone - I don't either!) Cheers, Bob s/y X SAIL R 8
 
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