Spinaker Sailing

Dec 15, 2006
139
Hi Group,

Sailed with the spinaker for the first time today. Still a little
confused about the instructions in the owners manual about using the
spinaker setup. Where does the downhaul/foreguy connect to the
spinaker pole?

Still have our vega up for sale. $13500 with trailer, $11500
without. See ad and pics on SF Bay Craigslist.

Larry Bissell
"Kemanalea"
Hull 1493 SF Bay
 
Oct 2, 2005
465
Hi Larry,
The spinnaker pole should have one bridle for the spinnaker
topping lift and an equal ( but opposite, since it pulls down ) bridle
for the foreguy. The foreguy goes to the deck and then back to the
cockpit. The ends of the bridles are connected to the ends of the
pole. On mine the pole ends are drilled to accept the wire bridle,
which is nicopressed back to itself. I am guessing, I'm not on the
boat, that the apexes of the bridles are about 2 feet from the center
of the pole. I have seen pictures of the foreguy attached directly to
the pole but I think this could only work on a skiff as the weight of
wind on a Vega's spinnaker could certainly fold the pole in half. The
apex of the bridle is a steel ring to keep the foreguy from sliding about.
I have been trying the spinnakers this summer and have learned a
couple of things regarding the foreguy that I will pass on for what
they're worth. The foreguy must always be either securely cleated,
or in your complete control when you make adjustments. If it gets
away from you the spinnaker pole will "sky" vertically up against the
mast, the spinnaker will balloon out of control way the hell up there,
and your jaw will drop to the deck.
When dropping the spinnaker what I've been doing is easing the
afterguy, while bringing in the foreguy, until the pole is just off
the forestay, then secure both guys. Reach out and grasp the spinnaker
sheet with my left hand, push the tiller over with my knees until the
main blankets the spinnaker and the sail collapses, blow the after guy
with my right hand, then the halyard, and pull the leach of the sail
down into the cockpit. The halyard is faked on the cockpit floor and
I can control the first bit of run with my knee,( though it should get
down fast because it becomes awkward when it refills halfway down)
There is a lot going on when working alone and I think a problem could
occur if the afterguy gets away and the wind presses the pole against
the forestay. So now, when I am getting ready to douse, I first go
forward and snap in a short line from the forward chainplate to the
foreguy bridle. It is long enough to allow the pole to go forward but
not to reach the forestay.
I was sorry to see that you had the boat up for sale.

Craig Tern V-1519
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi Larry;
there's nothing more fun than to fly the spinnaker. (and there's nothing worse when people are looking and you've got a knot in the spinnaker when you try getting him up to fly)
It's easy to get the spinnaker up, but never wait too long to get the spinnaker down when the wind picks up. (especially when you're alone, like me, sailing single handed). It can lead to a disaster!
Preparation is the word: the pole should have in its center 2 rings, one for the uplift, 1 for the down. Connect them. Then connect the spinnaker sheet opposite the boom, connect both sheets to the spinnaker (make sure they are forward the forstay), connect the halyard, connect the spinnaker pole to the mast, and up she goes! (hopefully without a knot!)
To jibe, you just undo the pole's connection to the mast, put in the other sheet, release the first sheet, wing out the pole, and you're done.
There are many ways to get the spinnaker down- I always burn my fingers when I forget the gloves. Since I have only 2 hands, I let the halyard slide through my fingers, and at the same time bring in the Spinnaker. Works 9 out of 10 times. When the wind is harder, I have more blisters. But it's worth it!
One time I had the spinnaker up all day and didn't realize how hard the wind was blowing- I broached the boat. Was a good lesson!
Have fun; Wilhelm, V-257
 
Dec 15, 2006
139
Hi Craig,

Sounds like we have a lot of practice to do. If you are
singlehanding with a spinaker, that is quite a feat. We had 5
people on deck trying to manage all the lines and still got the sail
twisted several times. I can't imagine trying to do it with only
one man. Thanks for all the information.

On my spinaker pole, there is a wire bridle on the top of the pole
for the uphaul, but nothing on the bottom. I guess I could rig a
bridle between the ends of the pole and accomplish the same thing.
Will have to try it. Thanks again.

Yes, she is up for sale and we have had several good interests, but
with the economy the way it is, my guess is we will end up keeping
her.

Larry
"Kemanalea" #1493
SF Bay
 
Oct 2, 2005
465
Larry,
I'm learning too. I don't find it relaxing but flying the spinnaker
is not difficult once its up. I do however have a problem getting up
the nerve to hoist it. I would be embarrassed to admit how many times
I have rigged up and gone out, but not had the courage to hoist. I
also have wrapped the forestay. Better yet I actually jibed the whole
mess, main and spinnaker, just not the pole. I think the only reason
I got out of it was because the wind was light, as I am only doing
this in gentle air. For the past month or so I've been using the
asymmetrical instead because it is just so much easier. There's no
comparison. I've cleaned up my cockpit check list and will cut and
paste it here. You may, or may not, find it useful.

Rigging up . . . Set pole on deck first. Pole end to base of mast ,
other end through stbd pulpit. Connect Topping lift at bridle and run
through jaws at mast end of pole, fore guy connected to bridle.
Hank on jib and run jib sheets first, then run after guy and spin
sheet and hook to port bow lifelines. Put spin bag on port foredeck
and secure
The Setup . . . .on port tack . . . Hook up clews outside lifelines,
then halyard, look up, is halyard clear?
Come about
on starboard tack . . . Release fore guy, go forward and connect jaw
to mast ring, Up pole 90deg. to mast, Check in front of forestay. Is
after guy clear of anchor rollers? In cockpit, Cleat fore guy with
pole just off forestay.
Check on the port side . . . spin sheet is outside and clear from
clew to turning block on stern quarter. Give it a couple feet of
slack and then take it to cabintop port winch, 3 wraps, then around
top starboard winch to cam cleat (on my boat this puts sheet, foreguy
and afterguy all close together, and the port sheet winch is already
occupied with the jib sheet)
Boom vang in hard and cleated
Check on the starboard side . . . After guy is clear from pole end to
stern quarter block then to starboard sheet winch, three wraps and cleat
check . . . lines in cockpit are clear. . . . Foreguy cleated . .
Tiller shock cords in place, tiller centered
The Hoist . . .at mark . . . Ease main well out and bare off, deep
broad reach, jib stays put
Spread clews . . . Haul after guy until clew reaches pole end and
cleat. check foreguy is secure
Haul the halyard in quickly, sail slides up the lee of jib, cleat.
Quickly Ease fore guy and haul after guy. Pole comes square to wind
CLEAT After Guy and Fore Guy two hands
Pull in spin sheet
Blow Jib Halyard and pull in down haul
Trim sheet and sail to spinnaker heading

Spinnaker Douse
halyard faked on cockpit floor
Ease fore guy 18", cleat, go forward and snap polestop from chain
plate to bridle.
Hoist jib and sheet in
on deep reach Ease pole forward to end of pole stop, haul and Cleat
Fore Guy
blanket spinnaker
Reach out and grasp spin sheet. Blow After Guy. then Halyard, haul the
leach down to cockpit.

Saves
gust. . . . Blow vang, ease sheets, steer downwind, re-set vang;
Because . . . the gust puts pressure on the main and heels the boat.
The rudder loses it's grip and the boat tries to round up. As the
boat comes around the spinnaker catches wind high from abeam and the
boat may lay over on it's side. Releasing the vang quickly spills
wind momentarily and lets the helm take back control.
wrap . . . steer in the opposite direction from which the wrap came,
towards the main sail. Because, I think, when the sail collapses it
falls into an eddy behind the main and is sucked back around the
forestay. Steering towards the main moves the eddy back towards the
leech and out of the slot.

It is useful to mark the halyard so you know when the sail reaches the
masthead. It is not easy to tell if the sail fills too soon. I have
tried hoisting bareheaded without a jib up but that was a mistake.
Wind pressure or sharp tugs on the afterguy can jam the spinnaker
shackles in the pole jaw. It will take a mallet to release them.
Spin shackle guards are available at West Marine and are very much
worth the small cost.

Nothing in the foregoing is intended to represent or imply that I
have the slightest idea about that of which I speak ;-)

Craig-- In AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Bissell" albinvega1493@...
wrote:
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi:
I love reading all these ways on how to fly the spinnaker. Like I always say" up is easy, down can be disastrous. (when the wind starts blowing)
But I fly the spinnaker whenever I can- and love it. (and besides being over 80 years old, I'm doing this single handed).
Wilhelm, V-257
 
Oct 31, 2019
163
...I do however have a problem getting up the nerve to hoist it...

Welcome to the club, which includes the overwhelming majority of cruising sailors.

Bob Carlisle
Spring Fever 1776
 

bv0820

.
Jun 24, 2003
66
Wilhem -- over 80! You really have me fooled. I'll be down and you can teach me
Best regards

Bob Vogel
Laughing Gull
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: wxt8981@...: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:06:06 -0800Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Spinaker Sailing
Hi:I love reading all these ways on how to fly the spinnaker. Like I always say" up is easy, down can be disastrous. (when the wind starts blowing)But I fly the spinnaker whenever I can- and love it. (and besides being over 80 years old, I'm doing this single handed).Wilhelm, V-257
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi Bob; Happy Thanksgiving- and yea.. I''ll be 82 next March. This year was very hectic for me (the next wont be much better) but I do hope we can get together for some sailing.
Wilhelm, V-257
 

bv0820

.
Jun 24, 2003
66
Wilhelm -- when u are ready...give a call 772.215.8087

Best regards

Bob
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.comFrom: wxt8981@...: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:10:41 -0800Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Re: Spinaker Sailing
Hi Bob; Happy Thanksgiving- and yea.. I''ll be 82 next March. This year was very hectic for me (the next wont be much better) but I do hope we can get together for some sailing. Wilhelm, V-257
 
Oct 30, 2019
80
Hi Wilhelm

How about putting a picture of yourself and V-257 on the Albin Vega
Worldwide Database? - maybe with spinnaker up and in full cry, as an
inspiration to us 70yo youngsters!

Cheers

David
V-1696
 
Oct 31, 2019
562
Hi David;
done! I uploaded a picture with the spinnaker up- I'll try to get a picture from me next-
Wilhelm, V-257