Spin vs whisker pole

Aug 17, 2013
926
Pearson P30 202 Ottawa/Gatineau
Hey everyone, need your help once again. Can you tell me what the difference is between a spinnaker pole and a whisker pole?
I have a symmetrical spinnaker on my new to me boat, but I don’t have a pole.
Any good place to get a pole?
 
May 17, 2004
5,544
Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
Generally speaking you can use a spinnaker pole as a whisker pole but not the other way around. A spinnaker pole takes lots of compressive force, especially on a reach, that a whisker pole is not designed for. A whisker pole can be made lighter or can be telescoping to make for easier handling.
 
Jan 11, 2014
12,712
Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Whisker poles are generally longer, lighter, and adjustable to accommodate different sail sizes or a reefed genoa.

Spinaker poles are one piece and not adjustable. They are typically equal to the J-Measurement.

Spinaker poles can be used as a whisker pole if the genoa is small enough, whisker poles generally can not be used as spinnaker poles because typically they do not become short enough and are not strong enough.

When a spinnaker is flown, there are tremendous compression forces on the pole which require the pole to be one piece. A whisker pole is simply not strong enough to sustain those loads because the pole is adjustable. The adjustable part is the weak link, under spinnaker loads the part would fail.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,985
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
In addition, the end fittings may be different. Have you considered looking at websites of manufacturers who make them, like Harken, to see the differences?
 
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Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
I thought the spinaker pole attached to the tack and the whisker pole to the clew, hence the whiskers.
 
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Jun 9, 2008
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Spinnaker (spelled that way) are, as someone mentioned, a fixed length - that being the j dimension which is essentially from the leading edge of the mast to the stem head fitting where the forestay attaches. This is dictated by racing rules or class rules for one design racers. Whisker poles are not fixed lengths and are adjustable to accommodate the size of the headsail used, or to accommodate the amount of sail that is furled or unfurled on headsail furling system that is designed to be partially furled (not all are designed with that in mind). Also, a spinnaker pole will have attachment points (usually bridles) so that there is up and down adjustment of the pole at the outboard end. Typically when flying a spinnaker, you want both corners of the sail at the same level (going down wind), so with a spinnaker pole topping lift you can raise or lower the outer end to match the corner of the sail that has the sheet attached. The sheet that is attached to the pole end of the sail is called an after guy. The down haul will keep the pole from skying, or unexpectedly raising so the out board end heads up to the sky out of control. Another note is that when you attach the jaw to the mast eye, you should attach the jaw opening pin facing up. If you have it facing down and a big gust hits, and you don't have the downhaul affixed, the pole will "sky" and the leverage of the jaw end facing down will bend the eye on the mast or the track. If the jaw is facing up, then that won't happen and you will live another day without having to install a new mast eye. I might also add that in most cases (not all) the spinnaker pole should be parallel to the water and so with a track on the mast, you can adjust the inboard end up or down too. But, there's more to flying a kite at different wind angles and wind velocities. TMI? Sorry. I get carried away sometimes.
 
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BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,057
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
Hi Fred,

Congrats on the new boat. Congrats on having a symmetric spinnaker and thinking about flying it.

Some information for you to consider:
IMO Symmetric spinnakers are obsolete.
I believe that all new boats are designed to use asym spinnakers flown from a bow sprint
Many older boats have converted to asym chutes

If you do want to use your symmetric, then look for a used pole. They are selling for pennies on the dollar because just about no one wants them anymore.

Note that the spin pole is only the start. As mentioned by BB above you will also need 2 sheets, fore guy, after guy, pole topping lift, and blocks for each. You also need crew for the pole controls (sometimes 2 crew) as well as the crew to trim the chute

For an asym all you need is a tack line, 2 sheets, and 2 blocks. One crew to trim the sail and maybe 1 more to douse it.

If you plan on racing and want to use the symmetric sail then by all means get the gear and have at it. If you just want to play around with a spinnaker, then, personally, I don't think it's worth the hassle.

The boat I do most of my racing on converted to asym a few years ago. It was a great decision. Last week I raced on a different boat and the rules stated they had to use symmetric spinnakers. I had forgotten what a giant production it is to fly a large spinnaker. Note this was a large boat (44') with large everything. Lastly note that this class has decided to convert to assym sails, so that was hopefully the last time I'll be on a boat with symmetric spinnakers.

Barry