Space Age Insulation

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RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
I'm looking to add insulation between engine room and the forward cabin on my 32 centercockpit, it will also help insulate the adjacent factory ice box that needs more insulation before I install refrigeration at a future date. Any one have input on this product(see link)this is one of a dozen products with the same specs at a cheaper price Any one have input on this or a better way? *! as always the knowlege on this site is awesome :)
 
Aug 1, 2005
84
Beneteau J-Boat Huntington, NY
Insulation for Engine Room

Additional refrigeration insulation, to be effective, needs to applied directly to the ice box. If your looking for a multipurpose solution for your engine room, I saw this product rated top 10 in practical sailor magazine, but rating was mostly for sound insulation Title: Silent Running – SR 1000 ; October 1/15 Issue Contact - Current, Inc., 877/436-6542, www.silentrunning.us.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
You have to decide on what kind of job that you

want the insulation to do. Sound deadening is different than thermal retention/exclusion. The functions require different products.
 
Jun 4, 2004
629
Sailboat - 48N x 89W
Radiant or Vacuum?

Couldn't get any info' from your link. Which “space-age” insulation type are you considering? - Radiant Barrier, Reflective Insulation - Vacuum Insulation
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
Insulation for heat

I'm not interested to sound proof my engine room (thats another project)but the stuff I've been looking at is Space Age™ a lightweight, pliable insulation that reflects 97% of radiant heat energy and has a R value of 9.19 and is only 5/16" thick, the heat from my engine gets transferd to the main cabin and the ice box because the only thing between them is plywood and a plastic cover in front of the engine under the galley sink,the ice box has a space of about 1" between the inside walls and the bulkhead and I'm hoping the mfg. put some insulation in there. Now I've thought of thick solid insulation for the whole job but that will require removing a lot of stuff and will require lots of little piece's and some plywood where equipment needs to be reinstalled this thin stuff will slide behind equipment and be fastened without loss of R value, and in the ice box area I could put some rigid foam and this space stuff to add more R value, here's another link to a different site
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
I thought that paragraph was one sentence.

But after re-reading, no, it's two. What did you say?
 
Jun 4, 2004
629
Sailboat - 48N x 89W
No free lunch

Reflective insulation or Radiant Barriers are designed to block RADIANT (infrared) heat. It has NO R-Value*, and does NOT insulate against Conductive nor Convective heat. Reflective Barriers should be specified according to their Reflective and Emissive ratings, which are used to measure the effectiveness of reflector against radiant heat. A high Reflective value helps block more radiant heat, and a low emissive value means the insulating material releases less of the heat that it absorbs. The often quoted R-Values, are actually EQUIVALENT R-Values.** This specific product appears to be a Reflector combined with a thin “bubble” insulator, which does have some conductive insulation values. Bubble pac is not, however, mechanically durable, and should only be installed (if at all) within mechanically protected cavities (ie: between wall studs & sheathing). * The U-Value is the rate of heat flow in BTU'S in one hour through one sq. ft. area of exposed surface, including insulation (if any) resulting from a 1 degree F. temperature difference between the air inside and the air outside. U = BTU's flowing in One sq. ft. for One degree change. The R-Value is the reciprocal of U - in other words, 1/U. The smaller the U factor fraction, the larger the R-Value, the better the conductive insulation. ** The RE - Value is the equivalent heat stopping ability of Reflective Foil Insulation and Radiant Barriers as compared to Fiberglass, Cellulose and Foam insulation, i.e.: mass insulation’s under identical conditions within a system. Sorry, no free lunch..
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
Thanks Gord

I knew if I asked it would save me from spending time and money on something that won't peform the way I thought it would.
 
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George

So Called Space Age Insulation

RAD/Gord, I had a similar use for this stuff. My thought was that the bubble wrap was dead space which I thought would have some insulation value and help adsorb noise. Also, my thought was that the foil would reflect cold/heat some. Not all my ideas work, but it seemed to me that I did get some benefit from the use of this stuff. Couple of projects: (1) Used it to line the inside engine cover of my outboard. Did not put a db meter on it but I noticed some reduction in noise and did not seem to interfere with operation of engine. (2) Also used it to line a locker to create an ice chest. See this link: http://kobernus.com/hunter260_web/upgrades/cooler/cooler.html Again, could not determine how much insulation or sound adsorbing value it provided but seemed to help help in both instances. I also used some "pink" board as part of the cooler project. Question: Is there a true miracle space age product? What does Igloo use in their coolers? How/why does the flexible cooler and the Pizza guy's pie pocket work to insulate from heat/cold? So many questions, so little time....
 
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Rich

Don't put the plastic where it would melt

I'm pretty sure the pizza blankets are made from this reflective mylar stuff. They sell "emergency blankets" in the camping section of your local sporting goods store that consist of only the coated plastic without the bubble wrap; I put one between the matresses of my bed as an experiment and found that it does indeed reflect back a great deal of body heat. As Gord pointed out, some applications such as insulating the hull would do better with other materials that retain heat within their mass. For use in an engine area, however, you have to consider the possibility that the heat would be great enough to melt the plastic and cause a fire. Ordinary Aluminum foil would be the better choice for that application if you don't want to spring for the special liner materials they sell for engine coamings.
 
Mar 1, 2005
220
Hunter 34 North East, MD
Engine room temp

I suspended the outdoor probe of an indoor/outdoor thermometer over my Yanmar 3GM and have been recording temps around 140 degrees in the enclosed engine box on my H34 this summer. Hope this helps. Heat this high not only can melt plastic, but it tends to make it much more brittle too. S/V Intrepid '83 H34 #113
 
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