Some Thanks, Somethings Learned, Some questions

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geehaw

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May 15, 2010
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O-day 25 shoal keel Valdez
Well Spent 6 days sailing last week. Had a tremendous time. Seen lots of seals some humpbacks some porpoises plenty of otters. Walked up to with-in 10 feet of a an eagle and didn't have a camera.
Well thanks to those that suggested getting a Loose Gage. I had trouble controlling the boat last year in higher winds. Now I don't know if it was tighter rigging or me having more experience and knowledge but I was able to sail in 20+ knott winds. Last year I would of had to tuck the sails between my legs and motored. Last year I always had bad lee helm. This year I had weather helm like your supposed to.
So that leads me to some questions. Although there were 20 k winds I could not get over 3 knots beating. Down wind I could get up to hull speed. I tried to keep the heel to less then 25 degrees. I did get blown over to 40 a couple times. Any ideas why I was going so slow?
I did try different sail configurations. Full sails,full head reefed main, just head sail, just main sail. 3 knots 3.5 knots was best I could do. Best speed was with full sails but keeping the heel under control was a lot of work.
I did get to use the Gennie a lot. The first time ever! Boat seemed to sail real nice with it. I didn't try a beat with it but did do a close reach with it. Wing to wing with it. Used the jib pole for that. And a lot of broad reach with. I did see the benefits of a broad reach to a dead run. lots more speed. I did notice the leach of my Genoa had a small line running the length of it and at the clew there was a clam cleat. Obviously it was for tightening the leach. But why would you want to do this? And does the jip pole just hook over the sheet at the clew? That worked for me but wasn't sure as I hear a lot of using guy lines.
I also notice my main sail leaves the boom hanging a little low maybe 5 degrees. And no matter how I tighten vang, out-haul, halyard the sail has a pretty good belly in it. Is that normal or is sail about shot?
Well not wanting this to get to long I will ask more things later and/or in more appropriate forums. Greg
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
Slow speed upwind could be due to a number of things and one might be your main sail. It sounds like it may be in need of replacing. In stronger winds you want the main flat - outhaul out. If you have a belly in it that will slow you down. Also, there is a tendency to pinch going upwind that will slow you down. Keep an eye on your jib's tell tales and the luff. If the jib has too much draft (worn out or furled) that will slow you down. There are other factors that could be in play as well.
 

RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
2,330
Catalina 30 Bay Shore, N.Y.
Agree with Higgs, last year I replaced the main and one of the reasons was I could not get it flat, also I have a old and worn lighter gauge 150 jib that doesn't do as well as my heavier 120 when pointing
 
Jun 2, 2004
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Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
Good advice so far. In general your boat wants to be flat, not like the picture to the left. Most of us like to heel. I love hiking out. But both of my boats are a full knot faster if sailed flat. Takes good sails, a flat main, and try letting it out.
 
Feb 17, 2006
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Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
I have put tell-tales on my main at the leech. This way I can see if the wind is coming off the sail evenly with the tales flowing straight back. That has helped me with flattening out the main as I head up, of if I have the main too flat. Just a simple trick I learned but I can't remember where. Would love to give credit.
 
Oct 6, 2008
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Hunter, Island Packet, Catalina, San Juan 26,38,22,23 Kettle Falls, Washington
Sailing your boat flat will give you the best consistant speed. To do that your standing rigging MUST be tuned to reasonable tensions rather than loose or fairly close. You need to have enough tell-tails on your main and genny or jib to know if your sails are stalled or are performing well. Without these aids you have no information about the driving forces your boat is experencing. If all the above is taken care of then you could be helped by a sail trim guide.
You will be suprised by what performance you can and will get out of old sails. You will also be disappointed by what new sails will not correct.
When you are comfortable with getting out all that is left in your old sails and understand the different sail shapes then the new sails will be breathtaking.
Enjoy the adventure.
Ray
 

geehaw

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May 15, 2010
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O-day 25 shoal keel Valdez
Thanks Ray and others. I did add tel-tails to main and jib this year and may be why I was able to sail in stronger winds this year.
 
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