Some New "How To" Articles

Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Hi All,

Sorry for the lack of content here in recent months. I have been out straight. I finally had a bit of time to sit down and punch out a couple of new articles. I will eventually copy and paste them to Musing With Maine Sail but it takes time stripping all the CSS code out of it. For now they can be seen at the links below. I am still working on one or two but the main points are all there.

MPPT vs. PWM Controller Testing

Testing A Marine Fuel Sending Unit

Solder & Poor Trouble Shooting = $$$

Mooring Pendants - Thoughts & Musings
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Hi All, Sorry for the lack of content here in recent months. I have been out straight. I finally had a bit of time to sit down and punch out a couple of new articles. I will eventually copy and paste them to Musing With Maine Sail but it takes time stripping all the CSS code out of it. For now they can be seen at the links below. I am still working on one or two but the main points are all there. MPPT vs. PWM Controller Testing Testing A Marine Fuel Sending Unit Solder & Poor Trouble Shooting = $$$ Mooring Pendants - Thoughts & Musings
That article on testing a fuel sender is timely, my gauge is giving me fits. A VDO system with the float arm. My ohm gauge on the tank flange is my fuel level gauge at this point. And I get a ohm reading at the wires at the back of the gauge. The gauge specs good according to VDO. So I'm at a loss as to why when the damn thing is connected up it says full all the time. I like the idea of a mechanical gauge and had no idea there were good, better and best level senders. I thought they were all junk.
 
Sep 4, 2007
794
Hunter 33.5 Elbow, Saskatchwen, Can.
Thanks again for all you do on this site and other's. I always look forward to reading your input on various items of interest. Your "How too's" have helped me with many projects.
 
May 23, 2004
3,319
I'm in the market as were . Colonial Beach
Good job...as always. I read and re-read your posts for winter reading. I find them very exacting and interesting. It also gives me a good heads-up on what I will be installing on my boat.
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
Only read the MPPT vs. PWM test so far but thanks for doing that. I'm using 2 MPPT controllers on the Mac (12v and 24v) and one on the Endeavour and after reading the test really glad I paid extra for them.

Anyone that is thinking about solar for anything other than charging the batteries when away from the boat should really consider MPPT. Well worth the extra cost,

Sumner

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Only read the MPPT vs. PWM test so far but thanks for doing that. I'm using 2 MPPT controllers on the Mac (12v and 24v) and one on the Endeavour and after reading the test really glad I paid extra for them.

Anyone that is thinking about solar for anything other than charging the batteries when away from the boat should really consider MPPT. Well worth the extra cost,

Sumner

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I like MPPT controllers due to the vast amount of options you have, especially on the more sophisticated models like the MidNite KID, Rogue MPT-3048, Morningstar TriStars etc., etc... There are very few customizable PWM controllers so the MPPT's almost always make for higher quality charging of expensive batteries such as GEL, AGM and LiFePO4.

That said the biggest bang for the buck, until you run out of real estate, is simply more wattage! Once you run out of real estate then MPPT is the only way to go, if you desire more performance from the system....

The gains seen on LiFePO4 do not represent what you might see on lead acid. With LiFePO4 the MPPT is in boost mode nearly 100% of the time. With lead acid it will be bulk less, and in absorption for much longer, which means less boost....
 

Sumner

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Jan 31, 2009
5,254
Macgregor & Endeavour 26S and 37 Utah's Canyon Country
.....That said the biggest bang for the buck, until you run out of real estate, is simply more wattage! ....
Yep out of room...



... on the Endeavour with 480 watts and now on the Macgregor with 560 watts :). The power from the solar is addictive so a lot of people probably don't think they will add more but chances are if they are cruisers they will ;).

....The gains seen on LiFePO4 do not represent what you might see on lead acid. With LiFePO4 the MPPT is in boost mode nearly 100% of the time. With lead acid it will be bulk less, and in absorption for much longer, which means less boost....
Good point. I'm lead acid but even 10%-15% for me would be worth it. For sure the MPPT cost more up front but even a larger one for a larger array amortized over say 5 years of use isn't that much,

Sumner

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Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
That article on testing a fuel sender is timely, my gauge is giving me fits. A VDO system with the float arm. My ohm gauge on the tank flange is my fuel level gauge at this point. And I get a ohm reading at the wires at the back of the gauge. The gauge specs good according to VDO. So I'm at a loss as to why when the damn thing is connected up it says full all the time. I like the idea of a mechanical gauge and had no idea there were good, better and best level senders. I thought they were all junk.
If you are getting a reading between 30 & 250 Ohms the sender seems to be working, at least at one fill level. Monitor whether it changes. Be aware that some VDO gauges are not the 33-240 Ohm standard. A call to VDO with the gauge part # can confirm its range. With the price of gauges so cheap swapping it out for a Faria etc. is often the easiest..
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,244
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Well Maine thanks for the new info .....you have educated me one more time especially on the pendants and use of keep up the good work sir.......
 
Jan 27, 2008
3,092
ODay 35 Beaufort, NC
What are you using for your mooring? A mushroom anchor? What size (lbs)? Or is it the helical screw type or other? Just curious. Keeping the boat attached is one aspect but the other is keeping the anchor bedded in the bottom and not dragging.

Scope is still important and many mooring fields don't have much allowing more boats to be crammed in the space. Another thing to consider is boats with swing keels. I had a boat next to me after hurricane Bob that ended up upside down with the mast jammed in the bottom and the outboard motor submerged. It was a really nice small boat, maybe 22 feet. The swing keel was raised so it didn't have any stability in the large waves and wind and flipped right over.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
What are you using for your mooring? A mushroom anchor? What size (lbs)? Or is it the helical screw type or other? Just curious. Keeping the boat attached is one aspect but the other is keeping the anchor bedded in the bottom and not dragging.

Scope is still important and many mooring fields don't have much allowing more boats to be crammed in the space. Another thing to consider is boats with swing keels. I had a boat next to me after hurricane Bob that ended up upside down with the mast jammed in the bottom and the outboard motor submerged. It was a really nice small boat, maybe 22 feet. The swing keel was raised so it didn't have any stability in the large waves and wind and flipped right over.
We have three moorings.

The one at the club is a 600 pound mushroom with the bell 6' into the bottom. It stands vertically and has been screwed in to the substrate over the past ten years. This is the ideal substrate for a big bell/mushroom mooring. My mooring guy is never allowed to remove it for servicing and that type of imbecilic behavior, which many municipalities actually mandate, is simply STOOPID :cussing: for a setting type mooring. A proper set on a mushroom, in the right bottom, can take a year or two. Mine was screwed in with the barge until the bell was fully submerged. A mushroom should NEVER lie on its side. If it does it is simply the wrong substrate for a mushroom mooring.

That particular mooring uses the bottom chain shown below and then converts to 3/4" top chain. This bottom chain will easily last 15 years or more. The top chain is replaced every 3-4 years & swivels approx every two....



My storm mooring, in front of the neighborhood, is approx 10,000 pounds of Maine granite with a 1.5" staple. She is long, wide and and low similar to this one, only MUCH bigger:



The shape of a dead weight mooring is critical. Long, low, wide and flat is best. Ours is now below the mud surface of the bottom with the staple barely proud. That mooring uses 35' of USCG/USN chain with the cross bar links. It weighs approx 20 pounds per foot. The top chain on that mooring is also 3/4" long link mooring chain. I know from my mooring guys dive report that it takes over 40 knots for me to even straighten the chain on our storm mooring (not lift it just straighten it on the bottom). If we move this mooring with a 36' boat the world will no longer be here.....;):D

The third mooring is also in front of the house and is for guests. 500 pound mushroom similarly set up to the YC mooring...

When I was a kid our cove was very, very exposed and my lobster boat rode to an old granite grist mill wheel that weighed perhaps 12-15 thousand pounds. It was the old mooring for the old USCG life saving station, which was abandoned in the 1950's...

I discovered the location of the mooring through old photos of my mothers showing the cove with the USCG recuse boats moored to it. I dove the rough location for three days & finally found the abandoned granite wheel. I used it for about 15 years and survived a hurricane and multiple Nor'Easters....... I am a pretty big fan of Maine granite for a dead weight mooring...

My intent with moorings is that the bow of the boat rips off before the mooring system fails.....:D
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,759
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
That article on testing a fuel sender is timely, my gauge is giving me fits. A VDO system with the float arm. My ohm gauge on the tank flange is my fuel level gauge at this point. And I get a ohm reading at the wires at the back of the gauge. The gauge specs good according to VDO. So I'm at a loss as to why when the damn thing is connected up it says full all the time. I like the idea of a mechanical gauge and had no idea there were good, better and best level senders. I thought they were all junk.
Gunni,

Did you ever get this solved??
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Gunni, Did you ever get this solved??
No, thanks for asking. Getting a working fuel gauge is on my winter project list.

Sender and gauge are OEM VDO, and were working..until they were not. I would be quite happy with a top-of-tank gauge that worked.
 
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Feb 2, 2010
373
Island Packet 37 Hull #2 Harpswell Me
Mainesail
Read your mooring pendants and have a couple of questions.
My mooring ball has the chain coming up through the center and out the top, does your float proceedure change for that system?
I change to two unequal lines in 2014 but approached the floats in a different manner, i used 6 foot kiddies tube floats, sliced down the middle with the pendant inserted and secured with tie wraps, they only cost about $5 each and were cheap and cheerful alternative.