some help before disassembling my PAR toilet

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Ed Munson

I have a Hunter 30T 1991. the past few days when checking on the boat I have found the toilet full of wastewater from the holding tank, even though the dry bowl selector was in the dry position. there is some waste in the tank but the throu hull is closed for the intake and discharge tubes. the waste water came to the top of the bowl but did not overflow. I have a Par model number 29090 before tearing the entire thing apart, could anyone (Peggy I just bought your book!) help with what this would be so I dont have to replace everything. Thanks! Ed Munson
 
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Frank Wang

Did you pump out?

Did you pump out? If the waste tank is full, the waste will back out into the toilet.
 
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Bill

Joker Valve

Sounds like you need a joker valve. This is a check valve of sorts that keeps the sewage from coming back into the head. Check the web site http://www.depcopump.com/catalog107/134.pdf for a diagram and part numbers. Look at part number 32 on the list and diagram. Bill
 
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Peggie Hall/HeadMistress

Unless the holding tank is full to overflowing...

There's no way it can back up into the toilet...the tank inlet fitting is at the top of the tank...and since water can't jump, the tank has to overflow for it to get into the head discharge hose. So if it IS waste water, there are only two possibilities: 1. your tank has to be full. If you're absolutely certain it wasn't when you left the boat, the most likely source is the tank overboard "dump" through-hull. 2. It's not from the tank, but is waste/flush water left in the head discharge hose in an uphill run to the tank running back downhill into the toilet. Depending on the length of the uphill hose run, that could be enough to fill the bowl. There is a third possibility, but you'd have other symptoms...a toilet that's very hard to flush--a LOT of backpressure--and immediate bubbling back after using the head: a blocked tank vent, causing the tank to become so pressurized that nothing being flushed is going into the tank...it's just building up in the head discharge line. I doubt that's your problem, though...'cuz if a tank is THAT pressurized, you'd be asking different questions--maybe after you showered off the unexpected "bath." However it IS quite possible that a blocked tank vent may mean that the tank is full even if you think you pumped it out or dumped it. Have you made certain that the tank is empty (or at least not full)? If it's full, and shouldn't be, you have two problems to solve. The wet/dry valve is in the toilet intake--has nothing to do with toilet discharge...so how could it have anything to do with backflow from the tank or head discharge hose? And if the intake seacock is closed, that would rule out any possibility that what you're seeing in the bowl is intake flush water. Bottom line...the problem isn't in your toilet pump....it's downstream of the toilet. And my guess is, the tank overboard thru-hull is either open or leaking. The joker valve in the head discharge fitting is prob'ly long overdue for replacement, though...joker valves should be replaced every couple of years. If you don't know what a joker valve is, check the drawing for your toilet in my book. A new one should slow down the backflow, but it won't cure the real problem, though. Most of this is covered in my book, btw.
 
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Peggie Hall/HeadMistress

Joker valve cannot prevent seepage

It's not designed to...only to prevent a backFLOOD. A brand new one might prevent seepage until the head has been flushed a few times, but once the slit has been stretched even the slightest bit, it no longer closes tight enough to prevent slow seepage over several days. And if enough water is backing up into the toilet to fill the bowl, the real problem is downstream of the joker valve...and should be solved in addition to replacing a worn out joker valve.
 
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