Solent rig, Staysail stay, roller furler vs hank on...

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bundchen1263

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Sep 5, 2016
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I have been reading lately. Log of mahina, out of blue...They done it without the roller furling. Unless you are a racer go with the roller furling or you are not a sailor if you don't hank on. i know the subjeck is very deep and detailed and there are tons of discussions over the internet but i wasn't able to find vega specific arguments. Did anyone decided to get creative with the rigging and give thoughts which sytem is better on vega(hank on vs roller) or play around with different configurations? I have a roller furling which i haven't set yet but it appears to be in decent shape. My genoa that PO used for almost all his sailings doesn't look good according to my inspection that carried yesterday. Not cripy or cringly at all, stiching separates with a very light pull along the edge that was subject to UV lights nd discolored. I would most likely just repair and use it for this season or use the roller jib which in in very good shape for our first season. For the future, i am looking forward to hear from the fellow sailors so i can arrange my sail wardrobe. If roller furler fails beyond easy repair, i am a strong candidate to go back to hank on for the cost effectiveness. if not, i am willing to tackle some modifications to sail better windwards and better storm handling. I am also aware that any opinion related to that matter has lot to do with ones sailing style, racer minded, weekend warrior, costie, salty dog, That fact beside please share what you think. Thanks
 
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gene_neill

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Apr 12, 2016
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We're hank-on people. :)We prize the ability to go from a 180% Genoa to a storm jib (and all points in between) in under a minute. A storm jib generates more lift than a deeply furled Genoa. When poled out, our 180 Genny eliminates the need for a spinnaker, and unlike a spinnaker, a big Genny sails to windward (actually points higher than a 110 or 150). All this might change if I sailed singlehanded, but with two of us, headsail changes are a snap.
 
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bundchen1263

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Sep 5, 2016
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I will look into installing a stay, which i can remove and make fast at the mast base. An oversize turnbuckle is what i have in mind after checking the prices for fancy system designed for that, I like the Gene's idea about poling out the genoa, i heard its very effective, less clutter, less sail to carry on board but i still believe its nice to have an spinnaker, maybe an asymmetrical one to begin with. I just bought 2 spinnaker pole both 10 feet which i can use it to pole out the genoa. I believe one can also go for a twin head sail, poling out both of them. Correct me if i am wrong but i think its a well employed technique by trade wind ocean crossing. i am hunting for an assmm. spin. this days. i have an interesting bow pulpit, not the original one, i am planning to use it to fly the spinnaker. Bottom line is that having an furler and the stay that you can hank head sail is like having the best of two world but i guess we can have it all. Or can we?
 
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bundchen1263

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Sep 5, 2016
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 Hi. yes i have been seeing them here and there online. i wonder if they are robust enough to withstand the heavy weather. For the price it may worth a shot. thanks
 
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groundhogyh

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May 30, 2006
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Maybe someone has mentioned this already, but to add an inner sail/forestay, the deck has to be able to take load at that spot. This has been discussed before in the email archives.Sent from my iPhone
 
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bundchen1263

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Sep 5, 2016
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Yes, even though one can easily distrubute the weight with an oversize backing plate, they still consider not enough because the deck may eventually flex and damaged. Solution is to tie it to bulkhead or chainplates. Considering the correct way of tying it to a strong point achieved, what would be a good choice to attach the stay? Folding pad eyes perhaps? My ide was a robust stainless U bolt, than i thought about safety(trip hazard, swollen toes) i am still trying to research but as i read more, the necessity of adding a way to set a storm jib when conditions gets rough becomes obvious. A gale sail that slides over the furler is an option but i ve recieved mixed feedbacks. i mention earlier that i already have an nice hank on storm jib too. I have never used a furler before and my furler has 2 tracks. i believe thats for flying wing and wing and to make sail change easier How easy or practical to remove a genoa and feed a working jib to a furler? I sometimes feel that, size of the boat, size of the foredeck...Things may get more complicated while not gaining much an KISS approach may as well be the best synonym.
 
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pelagicasd

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Jan 28, 2001
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We added a Wichard folding pad eye to the foredeck for our babystay. It's through bolted to another Wichard pad eye under the foredeck. We installed a fitting to the bow stem that we can connect to the under deck padeye with several turns of dyneema line.
The stay connects to the padeye with a turnbuckle with asymmetrical carabineers on each end. The stay attaches to the mast with a mast hound. We used a Dwyer part number DH 2020-6. I lasted contacted Dwyer in 2014 trying to find replacement value for this
for a survey. They no longer carry this in their catalog but I was told they could assemble one from parts on hand. I was told the replacement cost was $180. We have never used it but its intent was to move the storm jib closer to the center of effort.
WaltFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ground hog groundhogyh@... [AlbinVega] AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2017 10:07 AM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Solent rig, Staysail stay, roller furler vs hank on...




Maybe someone has mentioned this already, but to add an inner sail/forestay, the deck has to be able to take load at that spot. This has been discussed before in the email archives.

Sent from my iPhone
 
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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
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Albin Vega 27 Limerick
That's interesting Walt.

Could you post some photos or even some drawings?Thanks,

John --

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alaskaflyfish

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Oct 15, 2015
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HI Walt, I have a mast hound too with a stay dangling from it. The foredeck had a track with travel car attached but I removed it. I would like to see your set up to see if I could make it into a baby stay for a storm jib. From: "John.Kinsella John.Kinsella@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com To: "walt judy brown allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega]" AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Solent rig, Staysail stay, roller furler vs hank on...




That's interesting Walt.

Could you post some photos or even some drawings?Thanks,

John --

John A. Kinsella Ph: +353-61-202148 (Direct)

+353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch)

Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@...

University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927

IRELAND Web:

John Kinsella's Website

jkcray.maths.ul.ie jkcray.maths.ul.ie
 
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pelagicasd

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Jan 28, 2001
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John, I hope to haul Lyric later in the week. I'll try and get some pictures at that time. WaltFrom: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com on behalf of John.Kinsella John.Kinsella@... [AlbinVega] AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:24 PM
To: walt judy brown allore bestvega@... [AlbinVega]
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: Solent rig, Staysail stay, roller furler vs hank on...




That's interesting Walt.

Could you post some photos or even some drawings?Thanks,

John --

John A. Kinsella Ph: +353-61-202148 (Direct)

+353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch)

Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@...

University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927

IRELAND Web: John Kinsella's Website
 
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Vega1447

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Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Thanks Walt.John--

John A. Kinsella Ph: +353-61-202148 (Direct)

+353-61-333644 x 2148 (Switch)

Mathematics Dept. e-mail: John.Kinsella@...

University of Limerick FAX: +353-61-334927

IRELAND Web:

John Kinsella's Website

jkcray.maths.ul.ie jkcray.maths.ul.ie
 
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