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Kevin

" * " I've always read this as

A piling not rocks. Either way the point of the question is that it stick out of the water at low tide. Kevin
 
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A.Frascella

Bring them on !!!

This is the kind a stuff I would to see MORE of. Keep up the GREAT WORK
 
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Tom

Joe, I never said the readers of this forum are

the most knowledgeable, just that it seems like they care about doing the right thing (and trying to figure it out) and that is what will make boating safer. Just because someone takes a test and passes doesn't make them safe. Quick -- how many feet from a stop sign are you allowed to park your car ?.....Right, I bet you don't know the answer ......But it is one of the (10?) questions that might come up on the state drivers exam. And your argument to Peggy about taking a course and not passing an exam is weak. Most boating courses I take (and I am sure many boaters) require you to take a test and pass it before getting a certificate of completion. What courses are you talking about ? And lets be real....you can require all the licencing and test taking you want. It is not going to stop stupidity and dangerous on water behavior. Case in point. Megabucks owner of a 60 foot Viking Stupidly disregards good seamanship, leaves the helm on autopilot in open waters and runs over smallish motorboat. Killing 3 people and injuring others. Oh, BTW he has over 20 years in boating and numerous boating courses and exams passed over the years. (Happened in NJ a year or two ago, Read this months Soundings Magazine for more details) . He plea bargained and got 6 months in Jail and restricted from boating in NJ for 6 (?) years. They would have fined him a lot, but since the money means nothing to him, and the fine would not go to the victims families OR safe boating in NJ (but rather State of NJ coffers) the judge decided it was pointless. Maybe the fines imposed by unsafe boaters go to more Boater safety classes and enforcement and NOT towards lining the politicians & their freinds pockets. Joe, Now THERE is a legislation you should try and get put through !! (By the way that idiot boater in the 60 foot Viking is also a resident in Jupiter Florida, so you southerners beware) So my whole point is that it doesn't matter if you make a person take a one day exam and pay a bureaucracy for a licence. Its not going to keep the idiots off the water. Stiff penalties will. And yes Joe, I would rather have boaters that read this website out on the water with me, than just someone who takes an exam ONE day in their lifes. The difference is the people on this buletin board "care" about doing the right thing. THAT is what counts. And Alan of Bayville, yes I was talking about what you call a "steaming" light. And no, I did not mean to infer the anchor light. Its just a case of "semantics". But According to Chapmans Piloting , 57th edition Page 79 and 80. (which is derived from US Inland Rules) (Quote) Light Definitions Masthead Light. - A white light placed over the fore-and-aft centerline of the vessel, showing an unbroken light over an arc of 225 deg., from dead ahead to 22.5 deg abaft on the beam on both sides of the vessel...... As will be seen later, the term "masthead light" is a bit of a misnomer. More often than not, this light is "not at the top" of the mast..........On sailboats it is usually part way up the mast and another light, the anchor light, is actually at the mast head." (End Quote) Nowhere in Chapmans Piloting did I find the words "steaming" light. But I do agree that "steaming" light is better term and one that I use interchangeably. BUT you should never have your anchor light on at night while your boat is underway, whether to check your windex or not. You might confuse another boater sailing near you, that assumes you are stationary, and thus cause a collision. In a admiralty court of law, you would be found to be much more at fault.
 
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Jay Hill

Questions and Answers

Hello All! I have a couple of questions/comments (measely gripes) about the questions/answers: Q3: I have referred to several of the books and can find no reference to "zero" tide. I assumed the author meant "chart datum" so went with that. Although the third answer was MOST correct, there is no completely correct answer to the question. For the rock to cover and uncover at 3 feet above chart datum, the 3 needed an underline. Tough to do on the test submission I suspect, so, big deal right? Well, almost, the way the symbol is currently displayed: * (3) indicates that the rock does not cover and sticks up 3 feet above the height datum (mean higher high water in most cases). (Index K10 and K11, page 43, Chart #1.) On the other hand, if it's sticking up out of the water even at the high tides, you could see it and not have to worry about it (except in fog) so also no big deal. Note for Alan, Bayville, NY: Sailing with your anchor light on at night to illuminate the windex is a common practice, but incorrectly identifies your vessel to other vessels. If an accident did occur, you would be at fault for incorrect lighting. I strongly recommend installing a Windex light or removing the Windex from the boat completely. Many people also turn their steaming light on at night so they can see the telltales on the jib. This is also dangerous as it identifies you as a powerboat. If you have both steaming and anchor lights on, you are telling people that you are a powerboat over 50 meters. If somebody had an accident trying to stay out of your way, you'd be at fault in court. If you sail at night, I recommend you put very lightweight reflective tape on one side of each telltale then use a red LED light from the cockpit if you need to see the tales. This works great on the mainsail tales as well. You can also do this with a telltale on the shroud so you don't need the windex at all. The Red and White Bouy: There are two types: 1) Mid Channel Marker [also acts as Sea Bouy identifying an inlet and flashes Morse Code A] 2) Cardinal System Hazard Marker. For Number 1), you can pass on either side as it simply identifies the center of the channel, but if you are in a traffic separation scheme, it is highly advisable you take it to port at all times as the tankers do the same thing. For Number 2) (not sure that sounds quite right), the bouy is more of a candy stripe that doesn't turn; it has thinner vertical lines and a lot more of them. This bouy says "Do not go between me and the closest shore." Hope that helps. Don't Remember Who Asked: The term "masthead light" originated with the advent of the first motor sailors. They had to come up with some way to tell them apart from the sail boats. The best place for the light with square sails up is at the masthead. At that time, anchor lights were not used, they simply lit up the deck with the watch lights. As boats progressed and powerboats had no masts for sails, they had to actually install a mast for the sole purpose of holding up the light. Therefore, the name masthead stuck. The term mast light also came from powerboats; again, the only reason for the mast was to hold the light up. Another name for the same light is "Bow Light". This term was invented for the sailboats when anchor lights became an addition. The Bow Light is the light "seen from" the bow just as the Side Lights are "seen from" the side. On the other hand, this is confusing to a person that might think you are talking about the lights located at the bow. So, to eliminate the confusion, the term "steaming light" was born into the COLREGS in 1977 and is finally becoming more popular for sailors and powerboaters alike. With the following list it is rarely possible to confuse the lighting: Side Lights Stern Light Anchor Light Steaming Light Deck Light Spreader Lights Cabin Lights Does a boat have headlights? If not, how do you go to the head at night? OK, very old, very bad joke. Hope everyone has a nice day. Want to take a tougher test? Follow the link included.
 
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Joe

Tom, Peggie and Bob

Let me see if I get it: you and Peggie both agree that education should be required to the owner at the time for registration of a boat with the state. On the other hand, you do not like the idea of the state requiring boating licenses from captains. What is the difference? In one case your name is kept as part of the boat registration paperwork, in the other it is kept independent of the boat. In both cases taking a course and passing an exam would be required. It seems that the only real difference between both points of view is who actually gives the required exam: the company or private organizations that teaches the courses or the State. Leaving the design and evaluation of the tests to the individuals running the courses may work for organizations like the US Power Squadron, but in other cases with monetary interests in play it could result in abuse and heterogeneous levels of instruction. I agree that you can't rule out stupidity or criminal activity with laws, but by requiring a course and passing a standardized test, at least you can minimize the level of ignorance in otherwise well intended individuals. I also agree with Bob's statement about the limited duration of the effect of one course and exam but at least is a start and asks for a minimum. One would only hope that continued learning from experience and other courses would maintain and increase the level of knowledge but that would really be hard to implement as a requirement. In summary, it seems to me that we are in violent agreement on the fundamentals!! Aren’t we? Let's keep the tests comming
 
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Evan Wright

Why the Question IS clear....

A vessel that is motorsailing should be displaying a steaming light... and that's how you identify such a boat. And the theory for this right of way rule... is simply that the motorsailor has greater maneuverability... so that THAT GUY knows that HE must avoid you. But that's putting too much trust in the other guy... and as you said... avoid collisions at all costs... regardless of rules...
 
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Peggie Hall/Head Mistress

Joe, the key word is "standardized" test

Mandatory boater ed, whether it's licensing or only necessary to register a boat or insure it, isn't gonna solve all the problems. Drivers licensng proves that. But when you consider that less than 10% of boat owners have ever taken ANY kind of real boating safety course (an online course that can be retaken till you pass it doesn't count), making all of 'em learn the basics, even if they only retain it long enough to pass the test, HAS to make SOME difference! What I'm opposed to is licensing--another gov't bureaucracy who only costs tax $$ better spend elsewhere. Others believe that more law enforcement manpower is the answer...but all the agencies charged with law enforcement on the water are already stretched to the limits of their manpower and funds. We have to start somewhere. Requiring proof of passing a STANDARDIZED boating safety course from a recognized approved source to register a boat is a beginning. Meanwhile, peer pressure can go a long way...if it worked to make smoking socially unacceptable, it can certainly work to make ignorant, irresponsible boating unacceptable. We have to stop just walking away from the clueless idiots to talk about them behind their backs, and start talking TO them. They'll either want to learn to be responsible sailors, or be driven out of boating. Either way, the waters become safer. And isn't that the goal?
 
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J Stage

#7 18% correct

Being an seasoned sailor I'm probably out of date, but the rules for Inland Waterways I remember were Sailing Vessels underway - starboard tack one blast per minute, port tack two blasts per minute and abaft the beam three blasts per minutes. Your source?
 
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John Kagan

It changed my answers...

For some reason when I submitted my answers it changed my answers on #3, #4 and #10 to an incorrect answer. There must be a flaw in the program.
 
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Rick Webb

Whose Standard for Whom and Where

As one who teaches these courses for the Coast Guard Auxiliary I have a real problem with a "standardized" test. We have four different safety courses; they are geared for different segments of the boating community. Accidents and fatalities on the water decreasing every year as it is without a test or licensing. The only boating activity that has not seen a decrease in accidents is the "non traditional boater" they are folks who use boats to partake in a different activity such as hunting. We teach a course a little differently for each class depending on what type of boating they do. A course taught in the Great Lakes to guys who fish would be very different from one taught in Florida to sailors, to water-skiers in the Midwest, or PWC operators in California. Most accidents are caused by failure to maintain a proper lookout, and drugs or alcohol are a factor in 80% of accidents. A test is not going to change that, education may. Lets enforce the laws that are on the books now effectively before we call for additional ones. Most if not all insurance companies give a break for policyholders who have taken a course mine (USAA) knocks 10% off of my premium. Perhaps the states could do the same thing with registrations or with the fines imposed by folks who are found guilty of a violation. Mandatory licensing is nothing more than an additional tax. I pay enough taxes as it is thank you very much. Besides I very much doubt it would change the behavior of a very small number of idiots out there. Maybe what we really need are IQ tests at the dock.
 
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Tom Ehmke

Does anyone else sail with a combination light

at the masthead? My ODay 272 has a combination steaming/anchor light at the masthead. When I'm motoring at night I use the front 225 degree light which has its own switch, and when I anchor I trip another switch which lights the rear 135 degrees. This two-switch combination is original equipment on my boat. Dare I assume that because ODay installed it, it is a legal lighting configuration? Legal or otherwise, it works, and I will use it this way until the coast guard scuttles me...
 
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Peggie Hall/Head Mistress

CG Aux courses...

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "standardized." As long as the power and sail BS&S courses are the same no matter which flotilla anywhere in the country teaches them, whether they're taught by the CG Aux or the USPS, they're "standardized" courses, recognized as legitimate boating safety education courses in all states. As opposed to some bogus "10 questions for $10, get a certificate" online "course." Accidents and fatalities may be decreasing, but offshore rescues of people who don't have the skill or the knowledge to go out of site of land in protected waters, much less offshore, SEEM to be on the increase. Whether they really are or not, sooner or later we as boat owners have to draw a line in the sand and demand that everyone on the water begin to assume at least some of the responsibility for our safety as well their own. Whether that can best be accomplished by licensing or another form of mandatory boater ed, or just increased peer pressure is likely to be debated for years.
 
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Tom

Tom from Ohio. Yes, that is perfectly legal

and perfectly fine. I am assuming that you still have your green/red sidelights somewhere else on the side of your boat and your stern light also. I'm not sure why they would wire it that way, because you would still need two sets of wires to your mast and 2 bulbs. Its not really saving you much, maybe just a light fixture. Sailing vessels that are really trying to save electricity might also wire up a single green/red/stern light into one combination light fixture at the top of your mast (legal for boats under 12 meters). The value in doing this is its just one light bulb and power needed as what most boats might need 3 bulbs and 3 times the power requirement. But the downside is that I don't see anyway to properly have a "masthead" light on if you are under power. Because the rules state that these green/red combination lights must be at least 1 meter below the masthead lights.
 
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Jay Hill

Tom and Tom About Combination Lights

I also use combination lights at the top of the mast. The Hans Christian uses the combination steaming/anchor light Tom mentioned on his Oday. Quite legal. The combination light that has all three colors (tricolor) can be at the top of the mast (for vessels under 20 meters now) but as Tom from Senator mentioned, you cannot run the tricolor under power. When steaming, you must extinguish the tricolor and turn on both steaming and running lights on the lower part of your vessel. ON my Hans, they have a really cool setup for what the "tricolor" would normally do. On the front of the mast, 1.5 meters below the combination steaming/anchor light, there is another set of side lights. When offshore, these upper side lights would be on with the aft half of the anchor light which provides the stern light. If I turn the motor on, all I have to do is turn on the forward half of the anchor light and it acts as the steaming light. When we approach a harbor, we extinguish all of the upper lights and use the lower lights and the steaming light at the spreaders to increase our visibility to vessels that are closer than those offshore. Works great, but yes, it consumes more power. Under sail, we consume 2.5ah with the lights, but we use the brightest ones we can get and we have 990 ah onboard. Were it not for all the other toys/electronics/autopilot/refrigeration/stereo/inverter/TV/VCR onboard, we could run 178 hours on just the nav lights. (7.5 days) We have not been worried about nav light power consumption as we have to run our motor a minimum of 1 hour per 24 to keep all the other equipment running.
 
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Jay Hill

A Question For Everybody

Federal laws (CFRs 33 and 46) state that every vessel over 26' is required to have a copy of the Rules of the Road onboard. Almost all of the questions generated by the brief quiz are in the Rules of the Road. The Question: How many folks out there have their own copy of the Rules of the Road and if you do have one, have you read it cover to cover? Just curious.
 
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MArk

USCG Office of Boating Safety

Here's my favorite USCG small boat safety and regulations web site. (related link) From here you can get to the Navigation Rules (229 page manual) that covers everything from traffic rules to light and sound signals. (both Inland and International)
 
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SailboatOwners.com

Questions about the questions?

Gary has promised a post tomorrow (Thursday 11/14) to cite sources and explain the questions and their answers. Don't miss it!
 
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Tom

Boats 39.4 feet and over must have a copy

Boats 39.4 feet and over must have on board a current copy of the Navigation Rules.
 
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mary e. springhorn

USPS

I do have a copy of the Rules of the Road, and have read them and consulted them often in the course of my taking classes with the US Power Squadron. I would highly recommend this body highly as it really does teach the average boater how to be safe, and offers to those interested, more education. Through the USPS, I have learned celestial navigation. Anyway, the emphasis is safety, and I think that they do a very credible job in making it safer for us all out there. Mary E. Springhorn P424, PARALLAX, Hull #61
 
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Garry

COLREGS

You can buy a copy of the COLREGS (Rules of the Road) on line from the Govt. Printing Office at the link below.
 
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