Smelly Boat

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BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,116
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
Hello, My boat smells and I'm not happy about it. It smelled when I bought it last year (it's an 86). I thought that the smell was from sitting (the boat sat for almost 2 years before I bought it). I gave it a thorough cleaning. Still smelled. Over the winter I brought the cushions home and cleaned them. They don't smell. I removed every access panel and scrubbed the inner hull wherever I could reach it. I cleaned and rinsed the bilge out. I changed the head. The smell is not related to the head. It's not deisel either. Now that spring is here, the smell is back. Has anyone tried this product: http://www.bilgebuster.com/marine/cabinaire.htm It's expensive, but if it works I will buy it! I am open to any other suggestions as well. Some more things I have done: Installed nicro solar vent sprayed a bleach - water mixture everywhere I could see, then scrubbed as much as possible. sprinkled baking sode into compartments. I think the problem is mold and mildew. When I first removed some storage bins, the inner hull beneath was black with mold and mildew. I have cleaned up as much as possible, but I'm sure there are lots of places I can't reach. Thanks for any information. Barry
 
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Uwe Behrendt

The smell

If you have foam in your comartments esecialy up front , cut it out and pour a bottle of bleach in the vacume it out Uwe
 
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Lyle Hanna

ozone generator

I have been using an ozone generator for several seasons with excellent success . It virtually eliminates the boat odors. Just make sure you are not on board when it is in operation as ozone can be toxic in large concentrations.
 

jimq26

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Jun 5, 2004
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Ozone is toxic - not a maybe!!!

Some research should be done before you try any of these types of products. They are not safe for your health. As our headmistress frequently comments - find the source and eliminate it - don't try to mask it. I seem to recall some discussions on this a year ago or so. You may wish to check the archives. Cheers,
 
Jun 2, 2004
1,077
Several Catalinas C25/C320 USA
Smell

Check out Peggy Hall's book on boat odors: http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.tpl?fno=400&group=327
 
Jun 13, 2004
43
Hunter 42 Key Largo
Check your hoses

Check and replace any old hoses to the holding tank and the galley sink. Try plugging the sink drain and the heads (1 quart zip-loc filled with water) when you leave the boat and see if the smell is eliminated or reduced. I agree with the earlier post - find the source and fix it once, rather than trying to hide it forever. Dead rodent somewhere?? Use glue traps to catch and remove, not chemicals.
 
Dec 2, 1997
9,011
- - LIttle Rock
I'd bet real money that your sanitation hoses are

at least one of the sources of your odor. Any other source is most likely to be bilges and/or sumps in desperate need of a REAL cleaning--lots of detergent and water, followed by flushing all the dirty water out, instead of just dumping in more cleaner and/or bleach and letting the bilge pump drain the "sink" (think about it...would that work in a sinkful of dirty dishwater? Then why would anyone think that would leave you with a clean bilge???) In most cases, if the source is the sanitation hoses, the odor is unique—a sharp, sour, only somewhat sewer-like odor that’s a result of the interaction between the waste and the hose material. (If your boat smells like a swamp or has very definite sewer odor, you may or may not have permeated sanitation hoses too...it only means that hoses are not the only source of your odor problem.) Because odors are always strongest at their source, the odor is strongest in the areas the hoses pass through, under, or behind. If you’re still in any doubt after poking your nose into all the places the hoses go, there’s a simple test that’s never wrong: clean off the outside of a section of hose where the odor is the strongest (this is to remove any odors from another source that may have attached themselves to the outside of the hose). Wet a clean rag in hot water, wring it out and wrap it around the hose. When the rag has cooled, remove it and smell it. If you can’t smell anything on the rag, that hose is not the source of your odor problem. But if you can smell the same odor on the rag, that hose has become permeated, and once a hose has become permeated with odor, it cannot be reversed; replacing the hose is the only cure. A few words about ozone generators: Ozone in any concentration strong enough to do any good is not only a health hazard, it's also HIGHLY corrosive and destructive rubber, neoprene and flexible PVC—in other words, every seal, valve and hose on a boat. According to the EPA, “Available scientific evidence shows that, at concentrations that do not exceed public health standards, ozone is generally ineffective in controlling indoor air pollution. The concentration of ozone would have to greatly exceed health standards to be effective in removing most indoor air contaminants. In the process of reacting with chemicals indoors, ozone can produce other chemicals that can be irritating and corrosive.” As for how well the portable ozone generators work when it comes to getting rid of odors… yes, people who’ve bought them rave do about how well they work. And, yes, the manufacturers do assure you that the ozone concentration is well below that which can present any health hazard. But if that's true, they can't deliver enough ozone to destroy the sources of any odors. If they did deliver enough ozone to destroy the sources of odors, it should only be necessary to run one occasionally. But among all the people you know who’ve bought ozone generators, have you ever met anyone who has one who's ever been able to turn if off without having odors return? That should be enough to tell you that ozone generators are only very expensive air fresheners, because they don't deliver enough ozone to be anything else. Save your money and get rid of the SOURCES of your odors. Eliminating the source is the only thing that really works. (Most of the above are excerpts from the link below).
 

BarryL

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May 21, 2004
1,116
Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 409 Mt. Sinai, NY
updated information

Hi, Thanks for the suggestions. Here is some additional information for you: Cleaning the bilge - I have rinsed, scrubbed, cleaned, etc. the bilge. My boat (newport 28) has a very shallow bilge. I can easily see it, scub it, clean it, etc. Last weekend I poured fresh water into it, added bilge cleaner, scrubbed with a scrubby pad, pumped the water out, added fresh water, then vacuumed it out with a shop vac. My boat is currently on the hard, where it has been since November. I gave it a thorough cleaning shortly after it arrived in the boat yard. That's when I took the cushions home and cleaned them. The cushions have spent the winter in my dry warm basement (near the heater) and don't smell at all. They are still in the basement, and will be going back on the boat soon. I visited the boat on a regular basis during the winter. The boat was shrink wrapped, with vents. During the winter I left the hatches open. I live in Long Island NY, and this was a cold winter. The boat had NO odor in January, February, March. I thought my problem was solved. Now that the warmer weather is back, so is the smell. Very disappointing! Again, the boat hasn't been in water since November. Can the hoses be the cause of the problem is they haven't been used since November? Before the boat was hauled I rinsed and rinsed and rinsed the holding tank. The holding tank is located underneath the V Berth. That area has the least odor on the boat. The head has very little smell. The odor is the worst in the main cabin. Again, this is only a 28 ft boat, so the interior isn't that large. The design is such that I can't see or clean under the cabin sole. I can't get into some spaces under the rear 1/4 berth. I can't get into spaces below the head or in the hanging locker. My previous boat was a catalina 22. That had no smell at all (and no inner hull liner either). Regarding the ozone generator, if it has to be left on all the time it's no good for me at all. My boat (when in the water) is on a mooring with no power hook up. I was hoping I could run it for a day or two from my batteries, then only have to run it every other month or so. Thanks again to all! Barry
 
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Ray

Have you __________

Have you checked the exhaust hose. I have seen and smelled a few that were rotted and the smell was terrible. Something to do with the rubber the salt water and the diesel fumes. Good Luck
 
Dec 2, 1997
9,011
- - LIttle Rock
Yep...it's possible

The hoses can indeed be the cause of the problem, no matter how long it's been since they've been used...and it doesn't matter how well you flushed/rinsed the tank--it's the HOSES that are permeated, not the tank. Once a hose has become permeated with odor, there is no cure but replacement. There is another possibility I forgot to mention earlier...if your icebox and/or shower drain into the bilge, that can create a "primordial soup" that can smell like swamp or even a sewer...or a combination of both. Unfortunately, Hunters are notorious for a "grid" under the cabin sole with no limber holes to allow that water to drain, nor any access to clean it out, so it sits and stagnates...and stinks. If it were my boat, I'd cut and install hatches in the cabin sole to give me access...but that's up to you. No matter what the source, it's not surprising that there was no odor over the winter, but it's back now the weather has begun to warm up...it's bacterial activity that creates odor...the colder is it, the less active the li'l buggers are--totally dormant below 40 F...the warmer it gets, more active they become. So first test the hoses for permeation...if they aren't the source, there has to be trapped water somewhere....and you won't get rid of the odor till you can find it and clean it out.
 
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Rich

Limber holes, ventilation, and a good hosing

I think lack of limber holes is a big issue on a lot of boats. My goal with my boats has been to get enough limber holes in the right places so that I could hose out the spaces between the liner at the end of a season and have have it all drain without obstruction into the bilge, to be pumped out with the bilge pump. If you poke around long enough in lockers and hidden spaces you'll realize that even spaces with close tolerances between inner and outer liner, such as v-berth locker floors, can be hosed clean with well-placed drainage holes (which can be sealed with baitwell plugs if you worry about bilge water intrusion). Ventilation is also critical--my current boat has 2 passive dorade vents that seem to keep the boat mildew-free compared with my first boat, which had no passive ventilation and lots of mildew.
 
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