Skin Crawling

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Nov 22, 2008
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Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
During discussions here a few months ago about Florida attempts to restrict anchoring, someone said that I would feel differently after I’d been down here. I’m afraid it’s true but I’m not sure yet how my feelings would translate into opinions I would stand up for.

I’m a great believer in personal freedom and an admirer of people getting by with pluck and ingenuity as a substitute for resources but, I have to say, a lot of what I have seen south of Norfolk, and especially in Florida, just makes my skin crawl. I never thought I could be a boating snob with my old and modest craft but I don’t enjoy finding boats like this in nearly every anchorage. I can’t fault municipalities for not wanting them there either.



If they were cruisers it would be different, at least for me. It’s clear from the growth on the hulls and anchor lines that few of these boats have moved in months or years. I spoke to a fellow in a boat even funkier than this one anchored nearby and he said the person has been living on it for five years without moving. He claims to be restoring his but that looks like a several decades project. He’s gotten as far as running a pipe for a wood stove through the side of the hull and up but not to masts.



Maybe it’s the seaman in me that gets the willies looking at this cockpit:



Although I do like the sense of humor and the cats (I lost count at about four):



Readers of my introductory post http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?t=128374&#post803193 will understand why I expect a lot of local people who may have a 2-3 year old Hunter or Morris for day sailing and occasional overnights might see Strider as being much closer to these craft on the spectrum than theirs. It’s probably true in hull value. I can’t hold it as strongly against people down here wanting to regulate anchoring as I did before experiencing this.

I’m still just at the stage of emotional reaction to this aspect of southern cruising and haven’t been able to come up with any useful thoughts or positions. I’m not proud of feeling this way about people who are clearly in unfortunate circumstances but it’s depressing to see derelict boats serving the role that large cardboard boxes serve in northern cities.
 
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Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Well Roger, it is all about personal dignity. I've seen some "cardboard box" folks have what I'd call a ship shape abode. Right next to them are what would pass for a trash dump. It is all about the personality the owner has. He either repsects himself or he doesn't.
 
Nov 29, 2011
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Douglass & McCloud Thistle East of the Hudson
reminds me of what we refer to as a New Hampshire lawn ornament. Typical ones include a variety of dead lawn tractors, larger examples include a '64 pickup truck missing hood and engine, but with a 4" diameter maple growing up through the engine compartment. Occasionally you get a prime example with a bulldozer missing one track and the remains of a couple of ten wheel dumptrucks. The same style carries over to Maine, and portions of upstate New York, and on West I'm sure.

'I'll fix that up someday' is a universal attitude, & one mans junk or eyesore is another's treasure awaiting restoration to it's former glory. One can only hope that this sort of thing doesn't show up across the street, or worse yet, in one's own front yard.

Allan, in the hills.
 
May 22, 2011
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MacGregor 25 San Diego
Looks alot like the entrance to the harbor at Cabo; no cats but lots of pelicans and their "residue".
 

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Sep 6, 2010
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Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
I see it now... a new TV show: "Hoarders: Buried Alive - at Sea"!
 
Apr 22, 2001
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Hunter 420 Norfolk, VA
What's really unfortunate is that the local people and municipalities in Florida make cruising for the responsible, respectful, boaters much more difficult because of all of the "regulations", "local statutes", (and the enforcement thereof) that they put into place in order to deal with these 'folks'.

Everyone screams about their rights and "personal liberties", and, as you say, what is one person's eyesore is another's diamond in the rough. But, what responsible cruiser, much less local resident wants to deal with these "folks".

I'm not sure what the answer is, but, like you, I have come to sympathize with the locals (to a certain extent) and understand the "why" of the "regulations".
 
Jan 22, 2008
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Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Two problems with the rules here, one they are made by non cruisers. Boaters maybe, but not "long term cruisers". Other problem is similar to pornography, they "know it when they see it" but can't come up with the words to differentiate between my 1979 Cherubini and the derelicts that Roger's pictures show so well.

Boot Key Harbor was an unbeliveable mess 15 years ago. Sarasota was also. Both are better now, and cruisers are welcome, so it can be done.
 
Dec 27, 2005
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Hunter 36 FICM, Fleming Island
"I expect a lot of local people who may have a 2-3 year old Hunter or Morris for day sailing and occasional overnights might see Strider as being much closer to these craft on the spectrum than theirs." I don't quite understand your inference. I am a local and have a 2004 Hunter and it NOWAY resembles this wreck. This is a clear demonstration of a lack of pride in ownership, plain and simple.
 
Apr 29, 2011
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Finnsailer 38 Massachusetts
The remedy is not to throw everyone out

Roger:

The boats you are showing are not inhabited by mariners 99% of the time. The folks who own those things have serious mental, health, poverty, and other issues 50% of the time, and the other 50% of the time they are actually owned by someone local who bought the boat cheap and has anchored it out indefinitely until he gets around to fixing it up. Actually, it may be more like 75% are locally owned. So it is rather hypocritical of the locals to come up with laws restricting anchoring in order to get rid of what they call "derelicts" when in most or many cases they are actually owned by someone who lives ashore and just wants a cheap way to store a boat. In any case, ashore we also have lots of marginal folks who are living rough and need help, but we don't close down public parks because some homeless people sleep on the park benches. Imagine the outcry if parking were banned on public streets because some people are sleeping in their cars! These are public waterways, and in almost every case the anti-anchoring ordinances do nothing to remove the problem boats--they just chase them a few towns away to the next community, while at the same time chasing you and I away. In reality, the excuse of derelict boats is being used by a few wealthy and influential business owners and property owners in order to either enrich themselves by forcing boaters onto moorings or to chase people away from being in their view. The derelict boat "problem" can be taken care of with existing laws, that are not enforced. Instead we get more laws, that will not be enforced, that are only chasing away the legitimate tourist boaters.
 
Apr 29, 2011
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Finnsailer 38 Massachusetts
Boot Key Harbor was an unbeliveable mess 15 years ago. Sarasota was also. Both are better now, and cruisers are welcome, so it can be done.
Not any more in Boot Key Harbor. They just raised the rate for the dinghy dock to $22 per day in order to force everyone to take a mooring. I don't consider that a "welcome." I know of several people who have already cancelled their visit and other long-term cruisers who are moving on. Plus, the city wants to pave over the anchoring area in Sarasota with moorings using a very dubious construction method--they can provide no examples of such a mooring system used anywhere. I wouldn't trust my boat to one.
 
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