singlehanding an asymmetrical spinnaker

weinie

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Sep 6, 2010
1,297
Jeanneau 349 port washington, ny
Regarding the need to go forward: Even without using a sock, don't you have to go forward to release the tack in order to bring the spinnaker in from the cockpit?
Run the tack line aft to the cockpit. You will want to the ability to adjust the luff tension from there too especially if you do not have a bowsprit. When going down wind you want a the tack a little higher up so the kite rotates out from the shadow of the main. On a reach, lower the tack some and tighten the luff.
 
Nov 7, 2005
33
Hunter 26.5 DeGray Lake, AR
Asymetrical

I single hand a lot and I fly my asym a lot. I have all lines running aft to clutches next to the companion way. The asym is laid in the cabin with lines attached. I stand in the companion way, raise the halyard to top going outside the spreaders, pull the tack line (which runs from the companion way (where it is first attached to sail tack), to a block at the bow, then back to the clutch next to the companion way. The clew line has already been run over the life lines aft to the corner block. I then pull and set the clew line. Drop the jib (hopefully you have good running halyards so the jib drops on its own weight). I occasionally have to run forward to get the jib all the way down (not often). This is all predicated on having the asym laid out in the cabin correctly so one does not twist anything up. Retrieval, I grab the clew line, pull to companion way, let off the clew and tack, pull and bunch the asym along the foot, drop the halyard and pull and bunch back down into cabin.
I have 2 tack lines set with 2 blocks at the bow, depending on which side I raise the chute. I try to have the halyard on the side I expect to be the leeward side. If I have to switch sides, I do have to go all around the bow of boat with the halyard to switch.
If I expect to jib the chute, I will have a clew line run around boat (near companion way to bow to aft block). I will attach the extra clew to chute, then jib, letting the chute go way out, and pulling the opposite clew line like crazy. That's the tough part single handed.
I think the sock sucks. Too much work up front. Have fun!!!
Chaos
 

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Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,109
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Regarding the need to go forward: Even without using a sock, don't you have to go forward to release the tack in order to bring the spinnaker in from the cockpit?
No... you rig an adjustable tackline.... long enough that you can pull the shackle back to your staging area... whether it's by the mast or in the cockpit.

I never clip my tackline to the forestay.. I can.. but I don't anymore.. not going forward is one reason, the other is that it seems to work better that way. You pull the tackline down low and close to the forestay when your reaching, and let it fly up and out when you're farther off the wind.

The tackline will take a lot of load... so make sure it's near an available winch if the sail's pulling hard.

Finally, just like flying a symmetrical kite... rigging twings or tweakers can really improve performance... but put that on the back burner, because the first priority is an adjustable tack line...
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,109
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
If I expect to jib the chute, I will have a clew line run around boat (near companion way to bow to aft block). I will attach the extra clew to chute, then jib, letting the chute go way out, and pulling the opposite clew line like crazy. That's the tough part single handed.
I think the sock sucks. Too much work up front. Have fun!!!
Chaos
I agree with you about the sock, but homey... you're killin' me with the "clew line" reference. Out on the coast we call it a "sheet".
 
Nov 8, 2009
537
Hunter 386LE San Fancisco
I use a CDI furler with the asymmetrical spinnaker loaded onto the luff rope and tied off with "breakable" yarn. It is unfurled / furled from the cockpit by a continuous furler line.

If you want to use a sock I recommend the ATN sock with a tacker.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
I single hand a lot and I fly my asym a lot. I have all lines running aft to clutches next to the companion way. The asym is laid in the cabin with lines attached. I stand in the companion way, raise the halyard to top going outside the spreaders, pull the tack line (which runs from the companion way (where it is first attached to sail tack), to a block at the bow, then back to the clutch next to the companion way. The clew line has already been run over the life lines aft to the corner block. I then pull and set the clew line. Drop the jib (hopefully you have good running halyards so the jib drops on its own weight). I occasionally have to run forward to get the jib all the way down (not often). This is all predicated on having the asym laid out in the cabin correctly so one does not twist anything up. Retrieval, I grab the clew line, pull to companion way, let off the clew and tack, pull and bunch the asym along the foot, drop the halyard and pull and bunch back down into cabin.
I have 2 tack lines set with 2 blocks at the bow, depending on which side I raise the chute. I try to have the halyard on the side I expect to be the leeward side. If I have to switch sides, I do have to go all around the bow of boat with the halyard to switch.
If I expect to jib the chute, I will have a clew line run around boat (near companion way to bow to aft block). I will attach the extra clew to chute, then jib, letting the chute go way out, and pulling the opposite clew line like crazy. That's the tough part single handed.
I think the sock sucks. Too much work up front. Have fun!!!
Chaos
Chaos,

NICE looking sail, great for light airs!

I noticed its masthead pull on a fractional boat, not for heavy airs because the head of the sail is unsupported well above the hounds!

What kind of rating hit did you take to go oversize spin?
 

Kestle

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Jun 12, 2011
702
MacGregor 25 San Pedro
I have been considering doing this also, but am looking at adding running backstays to help absorb loads during unexpected puffs. I don't want to lose the rig when I sail near a canyon. I too, have a fractional rig.

Just a thought.

Jeff
 
Dec 17, 2012
5
Catalina 270LE Lake Conroe
a-sail furler

I installed a furler, peice of cake to single hand the asymterical. I roll it up to tack. Pull it up before you leave dock and stow after you get home.

john
 
Nov 7, 2005
33
Hunter 26.5 DeGray Lake, AR
Top Mast Asym

Jackdaw, Sorry not to get back here sooner. At present, my time Correction Factor went up by 2%. That may increase as time goes by, but that's OK, I'm having too much fun.
The top Mast really got the boat moving downwind. It is also more stable to fly, which might be the cut of this particular Asym. (a Melges 24) but possibly because of the more exposed entry.
On the loading, at 15 knots, there would be approximately 300 # load at each corner of the asym. Running a few stress numbers, I do not think that is too much for the top of mast to handle. Agree, I would not want to fly this asym in higher winds than 15 (hell, gets hard to pull, control the sheet, etc). I always have the option of running my original (smaller) asym attached at the fore-stay point.
I would really recommend the top mast. So far, it has been worth it.
My next, half finished project is a 4 foot bowsprit!!
Above all else, keep having fun!!!
Chaos
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Jackdaw, Sorry not to get back here sooner. At present, my time Correction Factor went up by 2%. That may increase as time goes by, but that's OK, I'm having too much fun.
The top Mast really got the boat moving downwind. It is also more stable to fly, which might be the cut of this particular Asym. (a Melges 24) but possibly because of the more exposed entry.
On the loading, at 15 knots, there would be approximately 300 # load at each corner of the asym. Running a few stress numbers, I do not think that is too much for the top of mast to handle. Agree, I would not want to fly this asym in higher winds than 15 (hell, gets hard to pull, control the sheet, etc). I always have the option of running my original (smaller) asym attached at the fore-stay point.
I would really recommend the top mast. So far, it has been worth it.
My next, half finished project is a 4 foot bowsprit!!
Above all else, keep having fun!!!
Chaos
;^) Excellent. You have things well in hand!

PS - LOVE Lake DeGray. We bought out 260 from a guy from NOLA that kept it there. We left her there over the winter and came down to sail every other weekend. Spectacular scenery and great people.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,583
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
I like the sock because my sail locker is a forward hatch and the turtle bag won't fit. The sock serves as a bag.

Tangle the lines? It's just a matter of taking 10 seconds to straighten them once it is up. It takes multiple cycles to build a tangle.

My greatest concern single handing is an hour glass during a jibe. While it does not happen often, if you waited until close to shore to jibe, you don't have long to sort it out, and single handers do not like to rush. Thus, I tend to avoid jibes when alone.
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
My spinnaker has a snuffer which as has been indicated is its own challenge. It means that you have to go forward when hoisting and dropping the sail. In preparation for hoisting, the sheet is run outside of everything to a block at the stern and a tack line is run through a block at the bow and back to the cockpit. The sail in its snuffer is hoisted and then the sock is raised and the snuffer line is cleated at the mast. The tack line and sheet are trimmed and the fun continues. Certainly there are advantages to launching the sail from a bag, as I have done on my other boats, but I still enjoy my snuffer!

Consider to change the length of the snuffer control line, add a double block to the rail, and run the control line back to the cockpit. Do all the 'raising/dowsing' from the cockpit once the spinn + snuffer is 'up'. Then you can go forward when the spinn in inside the snuffer, etc.

I agree with others with the 'unneeded complexity' that a snuffer adds to (asymmetric or symmetric) spinnaker handling on small to moderate sized boats. Best is to raise the spinnaker without a snuffer from a 'turtle' etc. attached to the (portside ) rail and with all the sheets, etc already 'premarked' and set to cleats. As long as you put the spinn into the turtle, etc. with the leech and luff tapes parallel and the sail not twisted, 99% of the time the sail will set without 'bother' .... and no 'complexity' to trip over. The FASTER you get the spinn up or down, leaves less time to 'wrap' it around the forestay !!!!!!!!!.

Dousing without a snuffer/sock means that you have to leave the cockpit and go forward to stuff the sail into the 'turtle' as it comes down (usually pulling it into the bag as fast as the sail is 'dropping'), .... made 'safer' if you have your halyard 'premarked' and with a large 'terminal knot' so that the halyard doesnt 'get away' or disappear into the mast, or the sail in the water and now under the bow!!!!.
A GOOD method of dousing when single handed on a smaller boat is to TACK through the eye of the wind into a HOVE-TO (on starboard) position, lay the spinn onto the main, the wind pressure will keep the spinn 'stuck' to the windward side of the mainsail, release the halyard to its (cleated) end .... and simply PEEL (pull down) the spinnaker off the windward side of the mainsail and rigging. Obviously, you cant have any 'sharp' edges, etc. on the rigging, etc. For an asymmetrical, you TACK through the eye of the wind, release the tack line ( to a 'premark' on the tack line) that allows the spinnaker luff/tack to be somewhere midway between the forestay and the mast, and when going forward simply pull the excess flapping sail back and onto the windward side of mainsail..... etc., etc.

Wraps - Not a problem, as eventually the most proficient spinn handlers WILL wrap the spinn around the forestay. The wind wrapped the spinn around the forestay - USE THE WIND to unwrap it.
A. NEVER EVER pull on the leech or luff if you have a 'wrap' as it will only 'tighten' the knot.
B. Instead, quickly put a preventer on the aft end of the boom, set the preventer so that the prevented boom/main is held forward ... as far as it will go forward. Slowly GYBE the boat back and forth as you watch which way the 'bubble' rotates as you continually and slowly gybe to unwrap. If the bubble is wrapping more, GYBE the mainsail/boom over and reset the preventer on the other side, and then continue to slowly gybe back and forth to UNWRAP the WRAP, using the prevented mainsail to 'steer the wind' to unwind the bubble as you slowly gybe back and forth with a prevented mainsail. If you single hand a spinnaker a lot, I would suggest that the preventer be permanently affixed to the boom ... saves time and lessens the 'panic' and 'angst'.

hope this helps.