Hello folks, I'm considering a 1975 22 and have no idea what these boats are like. I've owned a couple of Catalina 22 and from pictures (haven't seen the prospect yet) the O'Day looks similar. The prospect has a fixed keel. I'm wondering if these old O'Days suffer from soft decks like the old Catalina's? Any other tips on what to look out for would be appreciated. D
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I would tell you not to wait life is to short. Go sailing as much as you feel you want to. Just don't wait untill your looking back and find yourself saying things like " I should have spent the money sooner and gone sailing. Not only that but what better way to spend your time and money?
I would tell you not to wait life is to short. Go sailing as much as you feel you want to. Just don't wait untill your looking back and find yourself saying things like " I should have spent the money sooner and gone sailing. Not only that but what better way to spend your time and money?
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Stu Timm
Older Odays
Hi Don: What is the asking price? If it's within a reasonable range, then I'd look next for the condition of the boat. Any small boat that age will probably have some issue regarding soft decks or rot depending on how it was stored and cared for. This applies to O'Days as well as Catalina's and every other small trailer sailer out there. Since you're talking about an almost 30-year old boat, assume some elbow grease at a minimum is needed. Is there improvements to the boat? Things on the O'Day 22 to look for are: Shroud anchors on the deck and in the cabin - look for cracks and rot in the bulkheads. Rigging - the 1/8 inch stays and shrouds should be in clean shape - no room for error there. The turnbuckles at the shrouds should be checked carefully as should the backstay fitting and boom attachment cable. Mast - Check the fitting for corrosion. The desk step plate should have two pins that are in good shape, not twisted and banged up beyond recognition. Engine mount aft. The stock unit was a great gatherer and keeper of seawater and may be rotten. Cockpit deck may be soft - no easy repair there. I'm thinking of simply putting a wood floor and membrane waterproofing over it! Electrical - the stock 4-circuit panel is probably corroded some. Ports - the lexan port lites are probably frosted over to an opaque condition. Great for privacy without curtains, but a pain when insode looking out. I haven't the gumption to replace mine yet. Cleats - The deck hardware, and stantions might need rebedding at least. Find a small friend who can crawl into tight places who's good with a wrench. Sails - how many does it come with? Is the jib roller furled? If the sails are original, which I doubt, then figure on replacing them. Hull - I had to compound out the hull and deck fiberglass of my 1979 22 footer. The results where very sore shoulder and arms but a very decent looking hull. Don't assume a 1975 model will only need a little soap and polish. I also had to fill numerous "oopses" on the hull and gunwhale where physics overruled the skipper before me. Decks - the non-skid (if not painted) is probably oxidised some, and will need attention. My decks will need paint probably someday soon. Engine - The boat has a provision or may include a small protable outboard. How old is it? If it's around 15 to 20, don't bet on it being dependable unless the owner was zealous about maintenance and flushing out the engine after using it. My 1979 boat had a 1989 Johnson 6 that had fatal cooling issues when got it that were not realised until after I used it for a season! Interior - although O'day did a decent job with the little cabins they provided, the cabinetry was of very basic, cheaply made stock and may be in need of restoration or replacement. The stock vinyl or cloth cushions (if still on your 1975 boat) will also need replacing at this point. It all comes down to how the boat was cared for and what shape it's in. The more work you need to do to it will affect whether it's worth the money to invest. Figure doubling the asking price when you add it all up to fix up a boat. And is the boat in "sail-away" condition? My wife always reminds me on how costly these floating mistresses are. She's right about that. But the satisfaction of doing the work yourself (and learning from the 102 mistakes you probably make - we all do!) as well as the cost savings, double your pleasure when you sail your pride and joy away. The O'Day 22 is a excellent pocket trailer sailer and if your 1975 model is in decent shape, and is offered at a very reasonable price, I'd go for it. Any questions - write us O'day owners, we'd love to help. Good Luck and Great sailing to you. Regards, Stu Timm "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport
Hi Don: What is the asking price? If it's within a reasonable range, then I'd look next for the condition of the boat. Any small boat that age will probably have some issue regarding soft decks or rot depending on how it was stored and cared for. This applies to O'Days as well as Catalina's and every other small trailer sailer out there. Since you're talking about an almost 30-year old boat, assume some elbow grease at a minimum is needed. Is there improvements to the boat? Things on the O'Day 22 to look for are: Shroud anchors on the deck and in the cabin - look for cracks and rot in the bulkheads. Rigging - the 1/8 inch stays and shrouds should be in clean shape - no room for error there. The turnbuckles at the shrouds should be checked carefully as should the backstay fitting and boom attachment cable. Mast - Check the fitting for corrosion. The desk step plate should have two pins that are in good shape, not twisted and banged up beyond recognition. Engine mount aft. The stock unit was a great gatherer and keeper of seawater and may be rotten. Cockpit deck may be soft - no easy repair there. I'm thinking of simply putting a wood floor and membrane waterproofing over it! Electrical - the stock 4-circuit panel is probably corroded some. Ports - the lexan port lites are probably frosted over to an opaque condition. Great for privacy without curtains, but a pain when insode looking out. I haven't the gumption to replace mine yet. Cleats - The deck hardware, and stantions might need rebedding at least. Find a small friend who can crawl into tight places who's good with a wrench. Sails - how many does it come with? Is the jib roller furled? If the sails are original, which I doubt, then figure on replacing them. Hull - I had to compound out the hull and deck fiberglass of my 1979 22 footer. The results where very sore shoulder and arms but a very decent looking hull. Don't assume a 1975 model will only need a little soap and polish. I also had to fill numerous "oopses" on the hull and gunwhale where physics overruled the skipper before me. Decks - the non-skid (if not painted) is probably oxidised some, and will need attention. My decks will need paint probably someday soon. Engine - The boat has a provision or may include a small protable outboard. How old is it? If it's around 15 to 20, don't bet on it being dependable unless the owner was zealous about maintenance and flushing out the engine after using it. My 1979 boat had a 1989 Johnson 6 that had fatal cooling issues when got it that were not realised until after I used it for a season! Interior - although O'day did a decent job with the little cabins they provided, the cabinetry was of very basic, cheaply made stock and may be in need of restoration or replacement. The stock vinyl or cloth cushions (if still on your 1975 boat) will also need replacing at this point. It all comes down to how the boat was cared for and what shape it's in. The more work you need to do to it will affect whether it's worth the money to invest. Figure doubling the asking price when you add it all up to fix up a boat. And is the boat in "sail-away" condition? My wife always reminds me on how costly these floating mistresses are. She's right about that. But the satisfaction of doing the work yourself (and learning from the 102 mistakes you probably make - we all do!) as well as the cost savings, double your pleasure when you sail your pride and joy away. The O'Day 22 is a excellent pocket trailer sailer and if your 1975 model is in decent shape, and is offered at a very reasonable price, I'd go for it. Any questions - write us O'day owners, we'd love to help. Good Luck and Great sailing to you. Regards, Stu Timm "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport
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Don
Thanks Stu & Roger
The boat in question is listed on this site for one whole doller. The catch is a hole in the deck and hull from a tree falling on the boat. Apparently the mast might have taken a shot also. I have made arrangments with the owner to pick up the boat this Saturday. I have rebuilt several boats and a 10" hole does not scare me..especially above the water line. I was hoping you would tell me the deck on the old Odays is solid fiberglass and not to worry about rotten cores. As this is a fixed keel boat, I'm wondering about the depth of the bilge? Also any pointers regarding common flaws and "trick" fixes. I'm not anxious to recreate the wheel. Thanks again Don
The boat in question is listed on this site for one whole doller. The catch is a hole in the deck and hull from a tree falling on the boat. Apparently the mast might have taken a shot also. I have made arrangments with the owner to pick up the boat this Saturday. I have rebuilt several boats and a 10" hole does not scare me..especially above the water line. I was hoping you would tell me the deck on the old Odays is solid fiberglass and not to worry about rotten cores. As this is a fixed keel boat, I'm wondering about the depth of the bilge? Also any pointers regarding common flaws and "trick" fixes. I'm not anxious to recreate the wheel. Thanks again Don
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Stu Timm
1975 O'day
Hi Don: So that's the one you were looking at! I saw it as well and wondered why the price was so low. I think the decks of the O'Day are cored in places. The deck repair would have to include a patch to the deck as well as the inner cabin liner. If you inspect the hole, you should be able to see the cutaway of the area of deck affected to see what you're dealing with. You wrote there's also a hole in the hull which leads me to think that the gunwhale (hull / deck joint)is involved. If the hole(s) are above the waterline, and you think you can make a go at it, you should repair them yourself to save money. Otherwise, I would take it to a yard and get a cost to repair it. Factor in the cost of the repair versus what the boat would have been worth without the damage. I wonder why the former owner didn't repair it under his/her homeowner's insurance? Are the rest of the components of the boat in good shape? (refer to my posting yesterday) If so, sounds like you got a potentially great deal in front of you. Regarding the bilges, my 1979 22 footer has a centerboard,and has a split bilge of around 5 inches in depth at its deepest point. The top of the centerboard trunk protrudes into the middle of the bilge and splits it into two linear halves. the bilge is only in the main cabin where the sump is. As "trick" fixes go, it depends on what you're referring to Don. Here's a few: Traveller: The O'Day 22 had the mainsheet tackle tied to the backstay on a little length of wire. I tied a 3/8" line tight between the two stern cleats and looped the mainsheet block through the 3/8" line to make a sort of racing dinghy type of traveller. Chainplates: Rather than replace what I had, I added four 6" long tangs from Schaefer that I bored out for 4 additional bolts plus the two on the original plates. I overlapped and through-bolted the extender tangs over the original shroud plates to add reinforcement to the mast anchors. Cost was under $50 for all parts. I replaced the circuit panel on the boat with a larger BlueSeas panel (a bit overboard - but what the heck!) Rather than refinishing the fiberglass hole that the old panel occupied, I built a cherry case for the new panel that covers the old hole and gives more room to organize the wires behind. That's all that I can think of now. As far as common flaws or peaves go: Bad water drainage on the gunwhale by the jib winches. O'Day should've put a scupper there. Raked aft transom detail wastes space and is hard to get to for repairs. It would have been nice if they just made a straight transom and added the space to the boat. The aft cockpit drain has a low spot in the drain hose that always traps water. Getting to the hose is very hard to do with the raked transom. You're 1975 might have the dinette layout, which is a dandy. My boat has a very tiny galley counter that is only good for light storage. The dinette layout has a decent galley layed out to starboard. But all in all, they are decent little boats - particularly for a $1! Good Luck and keep in touch. Regards, Stu Timm "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport
Hi Don: So that's the one you were looking at! I saw it as well and wondered why the price was so low. I think the decks of the O'Day are cored in places. The deck repair would have to include a patch to the deck as well as the inner cabin liner. If you inspect the hole, you should be able to see the cutaway of the area of deck affected to see what you're dealing with. You wrote there's also a hole in the hull which leads me to think that the gunwhale (hull / deck joint)is involved. If the hole(s) are above the waterline, and you think you can make a go at it, you should repair them yourself to save money. Otherwise, I would take it to a yard and get a cost to repair it. Factor in the cost of the repair versus what the boat would have been worth without the damage. I wonder why the former owner didn't repair it under his/her homeowner's insurance? Are the rest of the components of the boat in good shape? (refer to my posting yesterday) If so, sounds like you got a potentially great deal in front of you. Regarding the bilges, my 1979 22 footer has a centerboard,and has a split bilge of around 5 inches in depth at its deepest point. The top of the centerboard trunk protrudes into the middle of the bilge and splits it into two linear halves. the bilge is only in the main cabin where the sump is. As "trick" fixes go, it depends on what you're referring to Don. Here's a few: Traveller: The O'Day 22 had the mainsheet tackle tied to the backstay on a little length of wire. I tied a 3/8" line tight between the two stern cleats and looped the mainsheet block through the 3/8" line to make a sort of racing dinghy type of traveller. Chainplates: Rather than replace what I had, I added four 6" long tangs from Schaefer that I bored out for 4 additional bolts plus the two on the original plates. I overlapped and through-bolted the extender tangs over the original shroud plates to add reinforcement to the mast anchors. Cost was under $50 for all parts. I replaced the circuit panel on the boat with a larger BlueSeas panel (a bit overboard - but what the heck!) Rather than refinishing the fiberglass hole that the old panel occupied, I built a cherry case for the new panel that covers the old hole and gives more room to organize the wires behind. That's all that I can think of now. As far as common flaws or peaves go: Bad water drainage on the gunwhale by the jib winches. O'Day should've put a scupper there. Raked aft transom detail wastes space and is hard to get to for repairs. It would have been nice if they just made a straight transom and added the space to the boat. The aft cockpit drain has a low spot in the drain hose that always traps water. Getting to the hose is very hard to do with the raked transom. You're 1975 might have the dinette layout, which is a dandy. My boat has a very tiny galley counter that is only good for light storage. The dinette layout has a decent galley layed out to starboard. But all in all, they are decent little boats - particularly for a $1! Good Luck and keep in touch. Regards, Stu Timm "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport
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Don
I'll give full report tomorrow
Hey Stu, Thanks for the input. Your mention of the traveler struck a familiar note. I reworked the traveler on one of the Catalina 22s I had a few years back. Catalina offered a 1/2 inch bar with a "car" that rolled back & forth. Locking it required cleating a line on either side. I liked the car but didn't like the cleating deal and always wanted to design a locking car...some kind of lever that would do a good job of anchoring the car in place. Sold the boat and never followed up. As I recall, my next boat was a Hunter 27 with an aftermarket traveler mounted on the cabin top. That was a sweet set up. My last boat was an old Cherubini Hunter 33 with a traveler mounted at the base of the companionway....worked well but a pain to climb around on a cruise. Incidently, the old Cherubini Hunters were some great boats. My old 33 embarresed quite a few "new" yacht owners! I will follow up with more tomorrow after I pick up the boat. I'll try to post a few pictures as well. D
Hey Stu, Thanks for the input. Your mention of the traveler struck a familiar note. I reworked the traveler on one of the Catalina 22s I had a few years back. Catalina offered a 1/2 inch bar with a "car" that rolled back & forth. Locking it required cleating a line on either side. I liked the car but didn't like the cleating deal and always wanted to design a locking car...some kind of lever that would do a good job of anchoring the car in place. Sold the boat and never followed up. As I recall, my next boat was a Hunter 27 with an aftermarket traveler mounted on the cabin top. That was a sweet set up. My last boat was an old Cherubini Hunter 33 with a traveler mounted at the base of the companionway....worked well but a pain to climb around on a cruise. Incidently, the old Cherubini Hunters were some great boats. My old 33 embarresed quite a few "new" yacht owners! I will follow up with more tomorrow after I pick up the boat. I'll try to post a few pictures as well. D
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Stu Timm
Cherubini's
Hi Don: I.m with you on the excellence of the Cherubini's. His designs also are found in the popular and seaworthy Mainship Pilot and earlier trawler series as well as the Aluhra. Many older Hunters from (I think) the H-25 and upwards have the traditional and functional wide, curvy beam, narrow transom, and long extended bow that makes for a great hull. In these days of using sailboats as swim platforms, the narrow transom looses it's appeal. That appeal is quickly appreciated again in a following sea of 3 foot chop in the Block Island Sound! Look forward to hearing more about the $1 boat. Best of Luck! Stu Timm "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport
Hi Don: I.m with you on the excellence of the Cherubini's. His designs also are found in the popular and seaworthy Mainship Pilot and earlier trawler series as well as the Aluhra. Many older Hunters from (I think) the H-25 and upwards have the traditional and functional wide, curvy beam, narrow transom, and long extended bow that makes for a great hull. In these days of using sailboats as swim platforms, the narrow transom looses it's appeal. That appeal is quickly appreciated again in a following sea of 3 foot chop in the Block Island Sound! Look forward to hearing more about the $1 boat. Best of Luck! Stu Timm "Karakahl" 1979 O'Day 22 CB Centerport
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