I'm close to buying a 2002 420, and would like some guidance from owners or previous owners on the pros and cons, strengths and weaknesses, things to look for on this Hunter model. I have not yet done sea trials or survey, although I did an extended inspection. The boat has a Northern Lights genset. A couple of things I wonder about: The serviceability/access of the genset and the main engine, on top of each other in the middle of the boat. I also wonder about the noise level of the gen set -- can one sleep with it running? Sailing to weather -- close hauled, how is the center cockpit? Seems like it could be rather wet close hauled into chop. Sailing and Handling performance overall? Again -- any weaknesses, items that fail or need maintenance that I should be on the look-out for during sea trials or survey? I'd appreciate any responses.
Should I buy a 420?
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I have owned a 1999 H420 for 3 years. Great boat. Serviceability of generator and engine -- no problems so far. You can get to the service side of the gen set as well as the rear. It can be hoisted out of the rear hatch (that's how it got into the boat). Engine - you can get to all four sides. Normal maintenance, no problems. Gen noise - yes it is noisy, I only run it to charge batteries and make hot water. Never tried to sleep with it on, and never will. I don't cruise in the summer, I have a nice air conditioner at the house. Sailing close hauled could be a little wet without a dodger, but so is an aft cockpit boat. You are 2-3 feet higher in the center cockpit. Sailing performance - I have the roller furler main without battens, so you give up a little there. Normally can sail at half the wind speed. It takes 18 to 20 knots of wind to reach the 8.3 knot hull speed. Sails well at 20 knots of wind. I seldom reef sails until after 20 knots. The boat is easily handled by a crew of two and could be easily sailed single handed. Lots of storage space and nice sleeping quarters for the captain. Bill
I have owned a 1999 H420 for 3 years. Great boat. Serviceability of generator and engine -- no problems so far. You can get to the service side of the gen set as well as the rear. It can be hoisted out of the rear hatch (that's how it got into the boat). Engine - you can get to all four sides. Normal maintenance, no problems. Gen noise - yes it is noisy, I only run it to charge batteries and make hot water. Never tried to sleep with it on, and never will. I don't cruise in the summer, I have a nice air conditioner at the house. Sailing close hauled could be a little wet without a dodger, but so is an aft cockpit boat. You are 2-3 feet higher in the center cockpit. Sailing performance - I have the roller furler main without battens, so you give up a little there. Normally can sail at half the wind speed. It takes 18 to 20 knots of wind to reach the 8.3 knot hull speed. Sails well at 20 knots of wind. I seldom reef sails until after 20 knots. The boat is easily handled by a crew of two and could be easily sailed single handed. Lots of storage space and nice sleeping quarters for the captain. Bill
Yes, you should...if
you are looking for roominess (master stateroom reason enough to buy the boat for many), easy sailing, value, easy maintainence but not so concerned with aesthetics (love mine, but she sure ain't pretty with that big center cockpit!), crossing oceans. Your specific questions: * I find access to both engine & generator very, very easy. Engine can be accessed from either side, front & back, gen from 2 sides. * I have never found the cockpit wet, but have also not sailed open oceans. Have sailed to weather in 30 knot winds with heavy chop (maybe 6' on a lake) & stayed dry, but can't say what it would be like on the open sea. * Sails very well, but I am more interested in easy cruising than performance. I did recently buy a cruising chute which is really a necssity for going downwind due to B & R rig & small jib in light air * I dont' know of any particular issues to look for in a survey...if you want more info, just ask, I'd be happy to help. * generator is too noisy and needs better sound insulation...I do sleep with mine on without a problem though. I could not be happier with mine (01) and can't think of any boat I would trade her for. The 420 really is ideal for her purpose, the question really is whether that purpose is yours as well. See link below for many reviews by 420 owners....
you are looking for roominess (master stateroom reason enough to buy the boat for many), easy sailing, value, easy maintainence but not so concerned with aesthetics (love mine, but she sure ain't pretty with that big center cockpit!), crossing oceans. Your specific questions: * I find access to both engine & generator very, very easy. Engine can be accessed from either side, front & back, gen from 2 sides. * I have never found the cockpit wet, but have also not sailed open oceans. Have sailed to weather in 30 knot winds with heavy chop (maybe 6' on a lake) & stayed dry, but can't say what it would be like on the open sea. * Sails very well, but I am more interested in easy cruising than performance. I did recently buy a cruising chute which is really a necssity for going downwind due to B & R rig & small jib in light air * I dont' know of any particular issues to look for in a survey...if you want more info, just ask, I'd be happy to help. * generator is too noisy and needs better sound insulation...I do sleep with mine on without a problem though. I could not be happier with mine (01) and can't think of any boat I would trade her for. The 420 really is ideal for her purpose, the question really is whether that purpose is yours as well. See link below for many reviews by 420 owners....
Thanks for your inputs.
Thanks each of you for your kingd reply. I've never done this forum thing before, so do appreciate the positive experience. I also take the aggregate of the responses as a very positive endorsement of the boat. Mike, I'm particularly intrigued that you do all of your own maintenmance. The number and complexity fo the systems on this boat is daunting, compared to what I'm used to. Guy, I did see the related link, including your review, and also appreciate your inputs. Bill, I appreciate your quantitative input on the hull speed and sailing characteristics. The variious inputs confirmed my concern over the noisy generator -- but then, I suppose it's nice to have "unlimited" power, and on a hot humid night on the Chesapeake, should be worth while.
Thanks each of you for your kingd reply. I've never done this forum thing before, so do appreciate the positive experience. I also take the aggregate of the responses as a very positive endorsement of the boat. Mike, I'm particularly intrigued that you do all of your own maintenmance. The number and complexity fo the systems on this boat is daunting, compared to what I'm used to. Guy, I did see the related link, including your review, and also appreciate your inputs. Bill, I appreciate your quantitative input on the hull speed and sailing characteristics. The variious inputs confirmed my concern over the noisy generator -- but then, I suppose it's nice to have "unlimited" power, and on a hot humid night on the Chesapeake, should be worth while.
Hi Coolhand
I, too have a 2001 420. I agree w/ all that the others have said, except that the sailing characteristics arn't quit as good as what Bill suggests. I have taken mine back and forth to Fla from Norfolk for the past 4 years; going offshore from NC to Fla (and back). The boat can definately handle the open ocean (as Mike can attest to) probable better than the crew. Mine is in Bay Point marina, Norfolk, if you are interested in talking further.
I, too have a 2001 420. I agree w/ all that the others have said, except that the sailing characteristics arn't quit as good as what Bill suggests. I have taken mine back and forth to Fla from Norfolk for the past 4 years; going offshore from NC to Fla (and back). The boat can definately handle the open ocean (as Mike can attest to) probable better than the crew. Mine is in Bay Point marina, Norfolk, if you are interested in talking further.
Sailing Sitting Visibility and Offshore
Sailing: Thanks, Buck for your comments also. Your input about sailing characteristics not being as good as what Bill suggests do raise the question -- how does the 420 sail? My imppression is that the 420 and the 410s share the same hull design, and that the 410 should ba a fairly good sailor. I do realize that the high cockpit and high dodger/inclosure cause more windage going to weather, and that the boom is higher for the same mast heigth, reducing sail area a bit. That said, I'd appreciate your inputs and anyone else's on sailing, as I'd prefer to buy a sailboat with nice accomodations as opposed to a "trawler" that sails somewhat. Seating: A concern on the 420 center cockpit design is that the cockpit coamings are low all around, and there is no "dog-house" to lounge against. Since sailing tends to be many hours of lounging around, I'd be interested to hear from Hunter 420 owners how they have adapted to the seating limitations of the cockpit. It seems like you can't/shouldn't have to sit bolt upright for hours on end due to the low seat backs, and I wonder how owners have lived with that or modified the cockpit to make it more comfortable? I'm also curious about this when heeled at 15 to 20 degrees, how does one sit and/or hang on? Maybe Buck and Mike, with offshore experience would also like to comment on that. Visibility: We've never sialed in a center cockpit boat. I can tell that the visibility when motoring will be great -- much better than an aft cockpit boat. I do wonder about sailing visibility, in that it seems like from the cockpit, there should be no way of seeing around the jib when close hauled. Comments please. Offshore: Buck, your comments, and your reference to Mike's experience do raise the question of offshore performance and crew comfort. We are thinking of the ICW with some offshore legs, the Bahamas, Chesapeake to Block Island, and up to Maine, "coastal cruising" in a few years. Any comments on the suitability of the 420 for that? I'll appreciate all inputs.
Sailing: Thanks, Buck for your comments also. Your input about sailing characteristics not being as good as what Bill suggests do raise the question -- how does the 420 sail? My imppression is that the 420 and the 410s share the same hull design, and that the 410 should ba a fairly good sailor. I do realize that the high cockpit and high dodger/inclosure cause more windage going to weather, and that the boom is higher for the same mast heigth, reducing sail area a bit. That said, I'd appreciate your inputs and anyone else's on sailing, as I'd prefer to buy a sailboat with nice accomodations as opposed to a "trawler" that sails somewhat. Seating: A concern on the 420 center cockpit design is that the cockpit coamings are low all around, and there is no "dog-house" to lounge against. Since sailing tends to be many hours of lounging around, I'd be interested to hear from Hunter 420 owners how they have adapted to the seating limitations of the cockpit. It seems like you can't/shouldn't have to sit bolt upright for hours on end due to the low seat backs, and I wonder how owners have lived with that or modified the cockpit to make it more comfortable? I'm also curious about this when heeled at 15 to 20 degrees, how does one sit and/or hang on? Maybe Buck and Mike, with offshore experience would also like to comment on that. Visibility: We've never sialed in a center cockpit boat. I can tell that the visibility when motoring will be great -- much better than an aft cockpit boat. I do wonder about sailing visibility, in that it seems like from the cockpit, there should be no way of seeing around the jib when close hauled. Comments please. Offshore: Buck, your comments, and your reference to Mike's experience do raise the question of offshore performance and crew comfort. We are thinking of the ICW with some offshore legs, the Bahamas, Chesapeake to Block Island, and up to Maine, "coastal cruising" in a few years. Any comments on the suitability of the 420 for that? I'll appreciate all inputs.
H420
We have a 2003 420 and love the boat but there is one characteristic not covered in the other responses. The boat likes to dance around at anchor. I don't think this is unique to the 420 and would expect other similiar boats, eg fractional rigs, to have the same problem although our previous boat(Catalina 36) didn't have anywhere near the problem. We do use an all chain rode, which helps, and a larger anchor, which helps peace of mind. My only concern with this characteristic is that when a thunderstorm comes thru you will find the boat parellel to the wind. Not a good situation and not an orientation where you can take the load off the anchor by running the engine. Just something you should be aware of if you anchor out alot. Other than that the boat is great.
We have a 2003 420 and love the boat but there is one characteristic not covered in the other responses. The boat likes to dance around at anchor. I don't think this is unique to the 420 and would expect other similiar boats, eg fractional rigs, to have the same problem although our previous boat(Catalina 36) didn't have anywhere near the problem. We do use an all chain rode, which helps, and a larger anchor, which helps peace of mind. My only concern with this characteristic is that when a thunderstorm comes thru you will find the boat parellel to the wind. Not a good situation and not an orientation where you can take the load off the anchor by running the engine. Just something you should be aware of if you anchor out alot. Other than that the boat is great.
Cockpit seating
Re your question about seating. Foam cushions (like Bottomsiders) and a couple of medium size bean bags (marine versions of sunbrella) make for very comfortable cruising and also sleeping in the cockpit on night crossings (crew, not helmsman). Consider an air mattress for the aft cabin top on those balmy Bahamian nights.
Re your question about seating. Foam cushions (like Bottomsiders) and a couple of medium size bean bags (marine versions of sunbrella) make for very comfortable cruising and also sleeping in the cockpit on night crossings (crew, not helmsman). Consider an air mattress for the aft cabin top on those balmy Bahamian nights.
420
have friend going overseas selling 44 -2004 Hunter. Lake use only, little use will take reasonable offer. Boat is fully factory equiped.
have friend going overseas selling 44 -2004 Hunter. Lake use only, little use will take reasonable offer. Boat is fully factory equiped.
Still like my 1999 H420
You need to add a dodger or full cockpit encosure and then it becomes another cabin while sailing. We use folding sear/cushions for comfort. Cannot use them in rough weather. I have modified genset box in aft lazarette with soft noise supression box and lined-up bulkhead with "Shut up" tiles. Gen is quiet now, no problems sleeping with it on. When we watch TV, we can bearly hear it in the mail salon. Boat sails great, dances on anchor, powers like a dream, has plenty of comfort features and a great price. I love it for bay sailing. We had Valiant 40 prior to H420, better sailing in bad weather, but very little creature comforts on anchor and small boat inside. I take this Hunter over Valiant for our usage type anytime. Igor
You need to add a dodger or full cockpit encosure and then it becomes another cabin while sailing. We use folding sear/cushions for comfort. Cannot use them in rough weather. I have modified genset box in aft lazarette with soft noise supression box and lined-up bulkhead with "Shut up" tiles. Gen is quiet now, no problems sleeping with it on. When we watch TV, we can bearly hear it in the mail salon. Boat sails great, dances on anchor, powers like a dream, has plenty of comfort features and a great price. I love it for bay sailing. We had Valiant 40 prior to H420, better sailing in bad weather, but very little creature comforts on anchor and small boat inside. I take this Hunter over Valiant for our usage type anytime. Igor
Dancing at Anchor
Hi All -- thanks for your most recent replies. Igor, I'd be interested in any details on your "shut-up" tiles -- what are they and where do you find them? We will have a full cockpit enclosure, and have one on our present boat -- it is really great -- and you're right - adds another room. Pete - the "dancing at anchor is interesting, as is your exlanation of the forward position of the mast -- makes sense. Since ther uis no aft stay on the B&R rig, you can't put up a small sail at the aft stay for stability in the wind. I wonder if adding some drag, like a strong bucket, a few feet down in the water, tied to a bow cleat, would help eliminate the bow moving around? Has anyone come up with a solution for the dancing? Also -- I now know of 3 2000 to 2002 410s and 420s that have had to have their anchor windlasses replaced -- is there a generic problem with the Lewmar Simpson Lawrance windlasses? Also also -- I've experienced and heard about the steering being quite heavy, hard to move the wheel on the 420s. Does it seem like a general issue? Anyone with experience or remedies for this? Thanks again for all your informative replies.
Hi All -- thanks for your most recent replies. Igor, I'd be interested in any details on your "shut-up" tiles -- what are they and where do you find them? We will have a full cockpit enclosure, and have one on our present boat -- it is really great -- and you're right - adds another room. Pete - the "dancing at anchor is interesting, as is your exlanation of the forward position of the mast -- makes sense. Since ther uis no aft stay on the B&R rig, you can't put up a small sail at the aft stay for stability in the wind. I wonder if adding some drag, like a strong bucket, a few feet down in the water, tied to a bow cleat, would help eliminate the bow moving around? Has anyone come up with a solution for the dancing? Also -- I now know of 3 2000 to 2002 410s and 420s that have had to have their anchor windlasses replaced -- is there a generic problem with the Lewmar Simpson Lawrance windlasses? Also also -- I've experienced and heard about the steering being quite heavy, hard to move the wheel on the 420s. Does it seem like a general issue? Anyone with experience or remedies for this? Thanks again for all your informative replies.
Me Again, Cool Hand
Many of us use "sport-a-seats" in the cockpit... when conditions are rough and the boat is healing, the crew is often laying down or at least reclining...cockpit comfort is no problem even on long voyages. Yes, the steering is quite stiff.. but again, you get used to it. I have the autopilot steer 80% of the time. Visibility is excellent. Seeing around the jib is no more a problem on a 420 than on almost any other sailboat Sailing characteristics.... roller furling main (w/o battens) is very convenient but provides little thrust. If you need to get anywhere you will be motorsailng (usually jib sailing) in winds under 15kts. For crusing the ICW and the areas you mentioned, the boat is EXCELLENT... Most of the time you will be motoring or motorsiling in the ICW...Offshore, coastal cruising, I want to maintain 7kts to get where I'm going... to do so, you have to motorsail in less than 15-20kts of wind, depending on point of sail. Realistically you will find that cruising the way you are intending means usually motorsailing. Wind and other factors are seldom ideal to only sail. So, unless you want to coast along a 4kts and time is not a factor, you will be using the engine to help increase speed.
Many of us use "sport-a-seats" in the cockpit... when conditions are rough and the boat is healing, the crew is often laying down or at least reclining...cockpit comfort is no problem even on long voyages. Yes, the steering is quite stiff.. but again, you get used to it. I have the autopilot steer 80% of the time. Visibility is excellent. Seeing around the jib is no more a problem on a 420 than on almost any other sailboat Sailing characteristics.... roller furling main (w/o battens) is very convenient but provides little thrust. If you need to get anywhere you will be motorsailng (usually jib sailing) in winds under 15kts. For crusing the ICW and the areas you mentioned, the boat is EXCELLENT... Most of the time you will be motoring or motorsiling in the ICW...Offshore, coastal cruising, I want to maintain 7kts to get where I'm going... to do so, you have to motorsail in less than 15-20kts of wind, depending on point of sail. Realistically you will find that cruising the way you are intending means usually motorsailing. Wind and other factors are seldom ideal to only sail. So, unless you want to coast along a 4kts and time is not a factor, you will be using the engine to help increase speed.
Sailing with a B&R Rig
I'm also curious about optimizing sail trim with the B&R rig. Does anyone put teltales on the main? Leach teltales have always been a good indicator of wether the main is stalled. Can that be done with in mast furling? Any guidelines for sail trim, and any differences between the B&R rig and conventional rig would be appreciated. By the way -- what about keeping the forestay tight? Can the B&R rig do that with reasonable tensions all around? I've read about tacking down wind because of the swept back spreaders -- do you find that more necessary with the B&R rig? Also -- are there any references or publications on the trimming of the B&R rig? I'll appreciate all inputs.
I'm also curious about optimizing sail trim with the B&R rig. Does anyone put teltales on the main? Leach teltales have always been a good indicator of wether the main is stalled. Can that be done with in mast furling? Any guidelines for sail trim, and any differences between the B&R rig and conventional rig would be appreciated. By the way -- what about keeping the forestay tight? Can the B&R rig do that with reasonable tensions all around? I've read about tacking down wind because of the swept back spreaders -- do you find that more necessary with the B&R rig? Also -- are there any references or publications on the trimming of the B&R rig? I'll appreciate all inputs.
Beer and Right hand 
You don't want to keep the main on the spreaders on a long trip. The reason the long trip makes a difference is because the friction for a long time will generate heat that will ruin the sail. Not a concern for most day sailing though. So if your on a dead run for a long time, you may want to change that to a broadreach and get the main off the spreaders. Yes, you can and I do use Tailtells on a furling main. In fact, I have TTs on the leach, and two other places in the middle of the sail so I can use one for being fully out or the other when reefed in. Sail trim doesn't change because you have a furling main. You will not want to mess with the standing rigging but that's only for racers anyway and you don't want a furling main if your going to race, if anything, to reduce the number of cracks you will get from the other racers.
You don't want to keep the main on the spreaders on a long trip. The reason the long trip makes a difference is because the friction for a long time will generate heat that will ruin the sail. Not a concern for most day sailing though. So if your on a dead run for a long time, you may want to change that to a broadreach and get the main off the spreaders. Yes, you can and I do use Tailtells on a furling main. In fact, I have TTs on the leach, and two other places in the middle of the sail so I can use one for being fully out or the other when reefed in. Sail trim doesn't change because you have a furling main. You will not want to mess with the standing rigging but that's only for racers anyway and you don't want a furling main if your going to race, if anything, to reduce the number of cracks you will get from the other racers.
Answering kak
kak, Is Portsmouth in the UK? If so, I can understand why you are planning around conditions where heavy air and seas prevail. When it comes time to depower the boat, and in my situation this can be with apparent winds >17 knots, my first opertion is to lower the traveler then dump the vang. Often times, this is sufficient. However, on the very few times where reefing in the main is necessary, the boat remains balanced. It is very easy to furl in a vertically battened main. Ours has four battens. Each one of these positions can serve as a reefing point. Understand, in Southern California, our general conditions aren't much above the high teens. Once the small craft flags come out, the seas can build, making conditions quite uncomfortable. However, it is still a recipe for sensenational sailing. The 410/420's are very stable boats. It is the primary reason we went with the larger (and more expensive) boat. Ours seems to go through rough conditions very nicely. I encourage you to fully explore the vertical batten option. Hunter has recently offered this as an upgrade to their furling masts. One thing I had to do was to add a gas insert to our Selden "Rodkicker" vang. They come without this. The roach on the new sail is too large to contend with the topping lift. The topping lift was disconnected and the gas insert in the vang supports the boom. The picture I attached above was taken before this modification and shows the topping lift. If you look very carefully, you can see it and infer how it would hang up the leach of the sail. I also have found that leaving the headsail fully out (unfurled) maintains good control and performance even if you reel in the main. My headsail was designed with a foam luff to aid in reefing during very heavy conditions. One other comment. I think I read about headstay sag in earlier posts to this subject. I have experienced a considerable abount of free play in the headstay during those times when sailing in broad reach conditions with the asymetrical up. I can recal one specific time where we had 19 knots apparent and the headstay had a good 6 to 8" sway. Needless to say, this caught my attention. Later, I read in the boat's manual that Selden and Hunter have designed the rig to be safe with up to 10" of headstay movement. I followed up with a call to Selden and they confirmed this. Good luck, John Richard
kak, Is Portsmouth in the UK? If so, I can understand why you are planning around conditions where heavy air and seas prevail. When it comes time to depower the boat, and in my situation this can be with apparent winds >17 knots, my first opertion is to lower the traveler then dump the vang. Often times, this is sufficient. However, on the very few times where reefing in the main is necessary, the boat remains balanced. It is very easy to furl in a vertically battened main. Ours has four battens. Each one of these positions can serve as a reefing point. Understand, in Southern California, our general conditions aren't much above the high teens. Once the small craft flags come out, the seas can build, making conditions quite uncomfortable. However, it is still a recipe for sensenational sailing. The 410/420's are very stable boats. It is the primary reason we went with the larger (and more expensive) boat. Ours seems to go through rough conditions very nicely. I encourage you to fully explore the vertical batten option. Hunter has recently offered this as an upgrade to their furling masts. One thing I had to do was to add a gas insert to our Selden "Rodkicker" vang. They come without this. The roach on the new sail is too large to contend with the topping lift. The topping lift was disconnected and the gas insert in the vang supports the boom. The picture I attached above was taken before this modification and shows the topping lift. If you look very carefully, you can see it and infer how it would hang up the leach of the sail. I also have found that leaving the headsail fully out (unfurled) maintains good control and performance even if you reel in the main. My headsail was designed with a foam luff to aid in reefing during very heavy conditions. One other comment. I think I read about headstay sag in earlier posts to this subject. I have experienced a considerable abount of free play in the headstay during those times when sailing in broad reach conditions with the asymetrical up. I can recal one specific time where we had 19 knots apparent and the headstay had a good 6 to 8" sway. Needless to say, this caught my attention. Later, I read in the boat's manual that Selden and Hunter have designed the rig to be safe with up to 10" of headstay movement. I followed up with a call to Selden and they confirmed this. Good luck, John Richard
vertical battens (and anchor dancing)
Have a 2000 h410, agree with all comments above. John- I have been searching for a vertical battened sail, but did not see this as an option on the UK website- they are local to me, so I will have to call them. Your sail looks great. I have an anchor riding sail, which my wife made from a Sailrite kit (pretty cheap). With no backstay, you have to be creative, but I have flown this from a spare main halyard led to aft end of the boom, lead forward part of the triangular sail to a line to the front of the boom. I'll have to take a picture. Works pretty well to control movement around the anchor. S/V Breathless h410 #250
Have a 2000 h410, agree with all comments above. John- I have been searching for a vertical battened sail, but did not see this as an option on the UK website- they are local to me, so I will have to call them. Your sail looks great. I have an anchor riding sail, which my wife made from a Sailrite kit (pretty cheap). With no backstay, you have to be creative, but I have flown this from a spare main halyard led to aft end of the boom, lead forward part of the triangular sail to a line to the front of the boom. I'll have to take a picture. Works pretty well to control movement around the anchor. S/V Breathless h410 #250
re; Shut-up sound tiles
I have not visited this site for a while, but here is information: You will find the sound tiles at: http://www.sailorssolutions.com/index.asp?page=ProductDetails&Item=SPM01 The sound insulation for the gen-set is custom made by myself, from soft industrial sound insulation: http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/products/enclosures/absc-25.asp We just bought the sound blankets, cut them to patterns that I have prepared, finished up the edges (a lot of hand sawing), use Velcro to retains shape over the gen-set. I can easily remove sound covers for gen-set maintenance. Do not forget that my genset sits in the aft starboard lazarette. Igor
I have not visited this site for a while, but here is information: You will find the sound tiles at: http://www.sailorssolutions.com/index.asp?page=ProductDetails&Item=SPM01 The sound insulation for the gen-set is custom made by myself, from soft industrial sound insulation: http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/products/enclosures/absc-25.asp We just bought the sound blankets, cut them to patterns that I have prepared, finished up the edges (a lot of hand sawing), use Velcro to retains shape over the gen-set. I can easily remove sound covers for gen-set maintenance. Do not forget that my genset sits in the aft starboard lazarette. Igor
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