Shore water inlet question

Gdindy

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Jul 11, 2007
44
Hunter 410 Washington Park Marina, Michigan City, Indiana
I have a 2001 410 I purchased used last year, on the starboard side, stern of the boat I have an elbow fitting for a hose connection to receive dock side water.
On the elbow is a black lever, when I disconnect the shore water from the quick connect I attached to the fitting water will eject from the fitting with fresh tank water until I close the lever? I have been returning to the dock and re attaching the hose then opening the lever to the same position it was in when water ejected from it believing that it was opening the direct line to the dock side supply. I notice my water tank under the floor was begging to bulge and I had a hunch the talk was over filling. I shut off the dock side water supply and opened the lever to let some of the water eject from the fitting and sure enough the tank reduced to normal size. This did not happen last year.
Do I have the lever in the wrong position when attaching the dock side water?

Thanks!
 
Sep 25, 2008
7,435
Alden 50 Sarasota, Florida
What you have is a disaster waiting to happen if, as you imply, the dock pressure water is plumbed to the tank(s).

The black lever is likely a small ball valve intended to shut off the flow to the boat when unattended. It is simpler to do that rather than actually disconnect the hose.

Shore water pressure should never reach the tanks which are not designed or intended to withstand that pressure. There are numerous diagrams on the Internet which will show you the proper plumbing routing, reducer and baclflow preventer setup to use dock water safely.
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,837
Hunter 49 toronto
Yes & no

What you have is a disaster waiting to happen if, as you imply, the dock pressure water is plumbed to the tank(s).

The black lever is likely a small ball valve intended to shut off the flow to the boat when unattended. It is simpler to do that rather than actually disconnect the hose.

Shore water pressure should never reach the tanks which are not designed or intended to withstand that pressure. There are numerous diagrams on the Internet which will show you the proper plumbing routing, reducer and baclflow preventer setup to use dock water safely.
Don,
On my 49, I have actually put in a valve to connect shore water to the tanks.
This allows me to fill the tanks from shore, bypassing the need to use the deck fittings.
Now, I agree with what you are saying to a point.
The tank vent will discharge excess water if you over-fill.
But, this is very poor practice.
When I fill the tanks using the shore water valve, I watch the guages like a hawk, and never go above 3/4.
 

Gdindy

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Jul 11, 2007
44
Hunter 410 Washington Park Marina, Michigan City, Indiana
Thanks for the reply's, When I picked the boat up from winter storage unfortunately many things were not re connected by the yard , having never winterizing before I called a friend who has same model and reconnected everything I could find that needed connected. The water heater line was disconnected and in looking at the diagram from the manual appears that the inlet water from dock side goes into the water heater on its way into the boat. I did not have this problem last year? since the winterization I wondered if I had something not open or open that needed closed? Two things I know for sure, the water pressure was on at the panel and the hose outlet was open to full position. I do have a filter that the water runs through just as it begins to enter the boat under the stern starboard storage locker.
I don't leave the water on when away from the boat and have never noticed the tank swelling before?
 
May 28, 2015
33
hunter 460 Stuart
Dear Gdindy. I suspect the previous owner modified from the original Hunter set up. Hunter generally installed a fitting that is one way only for the garden hose inlet. A spring loaded valve within the thru transom fitting (you screw the water hose to) allowing the 40 psi water to enter. That 40 psi water would proceed past a 'T' fitting to the output side of the 12 volt water pump where is it blocked by the pump internal valves. The other leg of the 'T' fitting goes out to the lines going to the hot water tank and the cold side of all spigots or showers. So, if you disconnect the water hose from the fitting, the spring valve closes. Water cannot go out the back of the boat to the sea. You turn on the 12 volt water pump, it pressures up (if everything is closed) till the pumps pressure sensitive switch shuts it off. You have water from your tanks now when you open a spigot, the pressure drops and the pump starts running. Plug the water hose back in the back of the boat and even if you leave the water pump turned on, water will be drawn from the shore side supply at the spigots or showers as long as the pump switch senses 40 psi on the outlet side.

Hunter tended to install the same system on all it's yachts of a particular era. Mine is a 2001 460, but I have been on a 41 and everything was remarkably the same.

Why might the previous owner have changed it? Several reasons I can think. His spring valve went bad. It was hard to find the exact replacement a few years ago. Or, he could have been wise and feared an internal hose, spigot, or even the 12 volt pump failing and allowing 40 psi shore water to flow into the boat...unchecked. There are insurance claim specs on many dock side sinking due this reason...especially if the bilge pump eventually gives out for some reason. Even though we have been back at the dock some time after cruising several years, we fill the tanks through the deck fill points (rather than attach 40 psi shore side water) and just use the 12 volt pump. Means we have to fill every couple of weeks but we don't worry about the boat sinking in our absence...even though we have a high water alarm with a 100 decibel horn outside to attract neighbors attention.

So, last thought; why is the water getting to the tank and expanding it (or them)? I would guess he installed a line (another T fitting) from near the 'T' fitting I discussed to another 'T' fitting he added on the water tank manifold (selector valve side) as I have thought of doing. With this, I could fill my tanks via the stern fitting all at one time, then close the valve. Hence the tanks are full (you pressure the system from the 12 volt pump) and your boat is safe from the sinking scenario I described because the black valve is closed to water in 'either direction'.

The reason I have not done this is because I feared rupturing a tank from 40 psi water. It is my thinking the tanks were probably designed to accommodate the 'head pressure' that occurs from the deck fill point. Without looking at a table that specifies vertical height and head pressure equivalents, I would guess your tank is about 5 feet below the deck fill point. I would further guess the water pressure (should the tank and the 1.5" fill line be filled to deck level) that this pressure on the bottom of the tank would be less than 40 psi (or certainly less than a pressure surge exceeding 40 psi surge can occur in city water systems).

Just to mention, if you do rupture a tank, go to you tube and search plastic kayak repair. The tanks are of high density poly and you can repair them just like a kayak. All the best, Tim at Cruising Spirit.