Shaft packing size

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DannyS

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May 27, 2004
933
Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
I'm planning on installing a new cutlass bearing this spring and since I'll have the shaft out, I'll replace the packing in the stuffing box. The boat is 4 hours away and I'd like to do this all in one weekend. I know the answers will all start with "It depends on..." but does anyone know what size packing is most common on a boat with a 1" shaft. I have an O'day 35 if that helps.If need be, I'll buy a couple of sizes and return the unopened package to the store.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,661
Hunter 34 Alameda CA
3/16" on mine

The 1" shaft on my Hunter 34 used a 3/16" packing material. I did change to the dripless seal. Very nice.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
It's..

It's likely 3/16" or 1/4". If you buy both you're pretty much covered..
 
Dec 2, 2003
480
Catalina C-320 Washington, NC
It's likely 3/16" or 1/4". If you buy both you're pretty much covered..
And either will very likely work just fine. I strongly suggest that you get the PTFE packing, it is virtually dripless when properly adjusted, will not score your shaft and will last longer than graphite impregnated flax packing cord
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Buy 5/16" and 1/4". I could force the shaft into the gland with 5/16"packing in it but it was VERY tight. You'll know you are using packing that is too large becasue it will be unreasonably tight. I didn't install packing that was too small so I can't advise any hints to be ablee to tell.
Tips: Buy GFO packing-it seemed to get the highest opinions for packing.
Cut each piece on the shaft with a new razor blade each time. You can eliminate all fraying if you saw the packing slowly with a razor blade with light pressure but once the blade hits the shaft it won't cut smoothly through the packing again.
I guess you already know everyone says buy one of those mechanical seals like PSE or whatever name brand they are called. I'm sure I will one day. IT just wasn't worth dripless when I could have virtually dripless for $20. Well $40 becasue I bought the wrong size.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,001
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Hermit, did you mean 3/16?

For your boat 3/16 is correct, 1/4 is too big although some (and very, very few) C30s, C34s and C36s do use 1/4.

As MS said buy both. I'd add: return what you don't use.
 

DannyS

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May 27, 2004
933
Beneteau 393 Bayfield, Wi
Thanks guys, I'll plan on the 3/16 but I'll also take the 1/4 just to be sure. I'm a good student of the school of SBO and had planned on using the GFO packing (thanks for the how-to Maine Sail!) I too eventually intend to replace this whole system with the dripless system, but the budget is only so big this year.
 

Tom S

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Feb 4, 2004
172
Catalina 36mkII Stamford, CT
Never seen "graphite" packing before -- Many times people mistake the grayish GFO packing for graphite ? Its not graphite but looks that way I would suggest to going with the Gore "GFO Fiber Flax" - Its probably a step above the straight PTFE.

http://www.e-marine-inc.com/products/gfopacking/packing.html

Because of its durability and long life, GFO(R) fiber packing is consistently high performing. It doesn't get hard or brittle, thereby minimizing shaft wear. Additionally, its excellent lubricity and high thermal conductivity keep it cool-running, even after extended periods of continuous use

Here is the Data Sheet and detailed info http://www.gore.com/en_xx/products/sealants/packing/gfo_packing_fiber.html
 
Dec 2, 2003
480
Catalina C-320 Washington, NC
Actually, I was being very precise... old school packing cord used in steam systems, valves, turbines, ships etc. were often graphite fiber cord or graphite impregnated fiber packing cord. See the links in my previous email. I've even gone to PTFE in the old valve stems in my 1925 plumbing in my home now, but used graphite on the stems of the old steam valves in the heating syatem (live steam not hot water) years ago.

I've also gone to PTFE on the boat, but buy it from an industrial supply at half the cost.

However there is also a combination PTFE Graphite impregnated packing cord that you can buy at Defender.

"Graphtex Ultra (GTU) shaft packing is future technology that is available now. GTU packing is a unique blend of W.L. GORE fibers and graphite fibers that are impregnated with PTFE"

http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|311|53222|292328&id=995231
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
GFO vs. Natural Flax

I use Gore GFO (actually I use a PSS but have used GFO a number of times;)). GFO does not contain any flax. Flax is a natural fiber derived from the Linum/Flax plant (Flax seeds & where linseed oil comes from) and has very low self lubricity and needs to be combined with paraffin, graphite or PTFE plus water in order to lubricate and not score a shaft.

There is a common confusion that all packings are flax fibers. Flax is a type of natural fiber like cotton is. Cotton is not Gore-tex, just as GFO fibers are not flax.

Gore GFO is a proprietary synthetic fiber made by Gore Labs. It uses PTFE base, some graphite and some other proprietary ingredients, which gives it the gray/black color. GFO should not be confused with a graphite impregnated natural flax, or PTFE impregnated natural flax.

I only asked because I have never seen a graphite impregnated natural flax for sale in a marine chandlery. I have seen paraffin & PTFE lubed natural flax in marine stores but not graphite/natural flax. The stuff Defender sells is not a natural flax with graphite it's Gore based synthetic fibers.

I know graphite natural flax is made but this is mostly in commercial/industrial valve seal applications. Most manufacturers, including one I used to work for, now use GFO in their pumps.

I agree would agree 100% that using graphite impregnated natural flax is probably not as good as PTFE impregnated flax but neither are as high performing as GFO..

The natural flax/synthetic fibers thing is confusing that's why I asked.

GFO fibers:

"Some users have tried “trading off” GFO® packing performance
for lower price. However, low-price competitive “look-alike”
black PTFE fiber packings perform differently.
Recently, some look-alike products have targeted one performance
criteria – thermal conductivity – suggesting that this attribute
makes them “equivalent” to GFO® packings. Close inspection of
some competitive products show that these products consist of
pure PTFE with a thermally conductive layer. The design is much
like a wire: a thermally conductive interior surrounded by an
insulator. Pull on these fibers and they will turn white. The material
in contact with the rotating shaft is pure PTFE, known for its thermal
expansion and shaft scoring behavior at higher service temperatures.
This outer PTFE layer of the look-alikes also raises questions
about how efficiently this packing is able to provide lubrication
during break-in and service of the packing."
 
Dec 2, 2003
480
Catalina C-320 Washington, NC
Re: GFO vs. Natural Flax

If you will re-read my posts, I didn't confuse PTFE and GFO® products with flax packing cord.

However, your post MS, and further inquiry suggests to me that Gore TM is implying that GFO® is not a PTFE based product and that did surprise me. Though I use GFO® exclusively, I have usually written on the subject using PTFE as generic term to avoid, either, the need to use the ® or to promote a particular brand.

I know they say they are better, but they always have. Query: Is there no PTFE in the GFO® packing cord?

FWIW, They will also tell you that their product is superior to a mechanical seal in the marine enviromment as well. ;~)
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,701
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
If you will re-read my posts, I didn't confuse PTFE and GFO® products with flax packing cord.

However, your post MS, and further inquiry suggests to me that Gore TM is implying that GFO® is not a PTFE based product and that did surprise me. Though I use GFO® exclusively, I have usually written on the subject using PTFE as generic term to avoid, either, the need to use the ® or to promote a particular brand.

I know they say they are better, but they always have. Query: Is there no PTFE in the GFO® packing cord?

FWIW, They will also tell you that their product is superior to a mechanical seal in the marine enviromment as well. ;~)

Gore has a PTFE component don't let them fool you. Though they don't use the words PTFE on their site I did spent about three days at the ASHRAE trade show in Chicago next to the Gore booth and got lots out of them..;) Their product though is very different from a straight PTFE woven fiber and that secret proprietary mix is why it works so well.

I was confused and thought you meant PTFE impregnated flax, which they make and sell in chandleries, and graphite flax which they don't. The term PTFE through me as that is the marketing buzz word they use for standard marine PTFE impregnated natural flax..:) Sorry for the confusion..
 

Blitz

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Jul 10, 2007
703
Seidelmann 34 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
Number of rings

How many rings of packing does everyone put in?
 
Dec 2, 2003
480
Catalina C-320 Washington, NC
Sorry for the late comment, I've been travelling...FWIW I never buy packing at a chandlery. I always buy it at an industrial supply store at half the cost.
 
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