Settling in the stern

Jul 30, 2013
56
Hughes 25 Burlington
I own a Hughes 25 and just bought this year. The Stern sits too low in the water when motoring despite me have set the motor to it's lowest setting. The motor sits in a well on a fixes motor mount. When running, I think the motor is about 5 inches too low in the water.

Hope someone can give me a few suggestions on how to rectify this, as it make me nervous.
 
Feb 20, 2011
8,048
Island Packet 35 Tucson, AZ/San Carlos, MX
What happens when you move weight forward, such as water, food, batteries, anchor chain, etc.?
 
Mar 20, 2012
3,983
Cal 34-III, MacGregor 25 Salem, Oregon
a boat being pushed by a motor will squat a little in the stern... if you have a displacement hull such as a sailboat, and you push with too much power, it will squat quite a bit more. (even a planing hull will squat a lot until it gets up on plane)

if the outboard you are using has a shaft that is longer than necessary, it will amplify the squatting in proportion to the excessive length of the shaft.

typically, on a sail boat, you need a long shaft the keep the prop in the water when motoring in rough conditions... so your next option to keep from squatting is to reduce power so the boat will glide along at a comfortable pace that lets it slip thru the water below hull speed... and it will save a LOT of fuel.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
I own a Hughes 25 and just bought this year. The Stern sits too low in the water when motoring despite me have set the motor to it's lowest setting. The motor sits in a well on a fixes motor mount. When running, I think the motor is about 5 inches too low in the water.

Hope someone can give me a few suggestions on how to rectify this, as it make me nervous.
How much hp is the engine? at what throttle setting are you running? BOTH answers make a difference.

My 25 (7500 pounds loaded for cruising) drives very well with an 8 HP, also running in a well, at just under half throttle- gets hull speed right there. If I go wide open throttle, I gain exactly ONE knot, and get a cockpit full of water because the stern squats and the cockpit drains go under.
 
Jul 30, 2013
56
Hughes 25 Burlington
It's an 8hp and I have tried it at various throttle speeds and even at half throttle, I hear gurgling and can see the water (stern too low). I loaded four adults on the back, pushed it to half/three-quarters throttle and had water coming in the drains.
But with just my wife and I, it sits too low in the water.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,169
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
Since the boat can only go so fast under power.. increasing the throttle will magnify the squatting. I installed a set of "doel fins" on my 9.9 tohatsu.. and it did help some. http://www.davisnet.com/marine/products/marine_product.asp?pnum=00440


Adjustable trim tabs help on planning hulls,... I have no report on how they may help a displacement hull.

Modifying the engine mount to give some upward direction to the prop's thrust could be an option.
 
Jul 30, 2013
56
Hughes 25 Burlington
Thanks, Joe. I thought about those fins, as well. I have an 8 hp Tohatsu on a 25 foot boat so I think we share some characteristics/issues.
 
Nov 9, 2012
2,500
Oday 192 Lake Nockamixon
One might try to set the tilt adjustment of the motor as far forward/down as possible. This would tend to drive the bow downwards. Most motors are designed to adjust the tilt stop outwards, so the thrust of the prop pushes the bow up. This is desirable in getting a planing hull up over the bow wave so that it can plane. Highly undesirable on a displacement hull, forcing the stern to squat. Also, note that the transoms of small planing hulls where these small outboards are typically mounted are often angled aft slightly. Now you can understand why the tilt angle favors tilting the prop up and out.

With a displacement hull, once you hit theoretical hull speed, mostly dependent on waterline length, as you add more power, you can't increase the wavelength between the bow and stern wave anymore (It's fixed by the waterline length.) All additional power applied to the boat will increase speed slightly, as TSBB 2 notes, but will also serve just to increase the AMPLITUDE of the waves. Energy gotta go somewhere, and it can't go faster, because the speed of a wave is dependent on it's wavelength. Longer wave=faster. Longer waterline=faster. (Except for planing hulls.) Your theoretical hull speed is only 5.84 knots. http://www.sailingcourse.com/keelboat/cal__hull_speed.htm Exceeding that serves mainly to make the bow and stern wave taller (amplitude.) I remember as a kid reading my Grandfather's Chapman's that exceeding hull speed too much can increase the wave amplitude enough that the mid section of a ship is not sufficiently supported, and could break the ship!
 
Jul 30, 2013
56
Hughes 25 Burlington
The tilt adjust came in the mid point but I moved it all the way down and still not happy with it. Changing the mount would be some major work.
 

CarlN

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Jan 4, 2009
603
Ketch 55 Bristol, RI
The boat has a hull speed of about 5.8 knots. If you try to go faster the power will just drag a bigger stern wave. In smooth water, it takes very little power to get your boat going 5 knots.

It's also a light boat with little volume in the ends so putting four people in the cockpit will definitely trim it down by the stern.

So I'd move some weight forward when you have four people and try staying at five knots. Even with two people, I'd sit forward in the cockpit. The boat will sail and power better.

It's normal with an outboard in a well for the water to come up under the stern as you pick up speed. It won't do any damage to the outboard unless the power head itself gets wet.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,169
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
The boat has a hull speed of about 5.8 knots. If you try to go faster the power will just drag a bigger stern wave. In smooth water, it takes very little power to get your boat going 5 knots.

It's also a light boat with little volume in the ends so putting four people in the cockpit will definitely trim it down by the stern.

So I'd move some weight forward when you have four people and try staying at five knots. Even with two people, I'd sit forward in the cockpit. The boat will sail and power better.

It's normal with an outboard in a well for the water to come up under the stern as you pick up speed. It won't do any damage to the outboard unless the power head itself gets wet.
That is such an excellent point. A topic that is often omitted in sailing courses.

Here's a related discussion of ballast placement on a sailboat. Yes... this is extreme... but hull trim is an important topic, whether you're a displacement hull day sailor or a planing dinghy racer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDQl0KRTsQ&index=11&list=PLQ4Jnke2W6TMgHaaOtvn9HQUNJe3MDhUh
 
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