Series Drogue

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Capt Ron;-)

On that last post, reply to the batten question; I'd posted an opinion on 'Para-Anchor' or a parachute sea-anchor, whether 3/4" or 1" line it should be 300 ft never LESS! There are several reasons for this, won't take time to explain here. Should always have a shackle or connector that will freely spin too for the bridle or connector line that anchors aboard the ship (cannot think of tech name here now) and a collapse line or 'reel-in' tag line is not usually necessary; if you deploy a drogue you will not need to bring it in till the storm is done. The three magic words that have been told to sailors for many generations to steel them in survival conditons "it will end"
 
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Capt Ron;-)

On that last post, reply to the batten question; I'd posted an opinion on 'Para-Anchor' or a parachute sea-anchor, whether 3/4" or 1" line it should be 300 ft never LESS! There are several reasons for this, won't take time to explain here. Should always have a shackle or connector that will freely spin too for the bridle or connector line that anchors aboard the ship (cannot think of tech name here now) and a collapse line or 'reel-in' tag line is not usually necessary; if you deploy a drogue you will not need to bring it in till the storm is done. The three magic words that have been told to sailors for many generations to steel them in survival conditons "it will end"
 
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Warren Milberg

We used a series drogue

on an Oyster 42 coming back across the Gulf Stream from Bermuda some years ago. We hit a very bad stretch of weather with high winds (>35 kts) astern and a short nasty chop in front of us. We tried everything to slow the boat down and gain control. In the end, we deployed a series drogue that worked like a charm. We went from over 7 kts to about 2 kts and the boat was stable with no slewing back and forth. It was easier to deploy the drogue than recover it, however. Seasoned sailor Robert Gainer does not recommend these types of drogues and I hope he posts his informed opinion here, too.
 
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Warren Milberg

We used a series drogue

on an Oyster 42 coming back across the Gulf Stream from Bermuda some years ago. We hit a very bad stretch of weather with high winds (>35 kts) astern and a short nasty chop in front of us. We tried everything to slow the boat down and gain control. In the end, we deployed a series drogue that worked like a charm. We went from over 7 kts to about 2 kts and the boat was stable with no slewing back and forth. It was easier to deploy the drogue than recover it, however. Seasoned sailor Robert Gainer does not recommend these types of drogues and I hope he posts his informed opinion here, too.
 
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Warren Milberg

We used a series drogue

on an Oyster 42 coming back across the Gulf Stream from Bermuda some years ago. We hit a very bad stretch of weather with high winds (>35 kts) astern and a short nasty chop in front of us. We tried everything to slow the boat down and gain control. In the end, we deployed a series drogue that worked like a charm. We went from over 7 kts to about 2 kts and the boat was stable with no slewing back and forth. It was easier to deploy the drogue than recover it, however. Seasoned sailor Robert Gainer does not recommend these types of drogues and I hope he posts his informed opinion here, too.
 
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Warren Milberg

We used a series drogue

on an Oyster 42 coming back across the Gulf Stream from Bermuda some years ago. We hit a very bad stretch of weather with high winds (>35 kts) astern and a short nasty chop in front of us. We tried everything to slow the boat down and gain control. In the end, we deployed a series drogue that worked like a charm. We went from over 7 kts to about 2 kts and the boat was stable with no slewing back and forth. It was easier to deploy the drogue than recover it, however. Seasoned sailor Robert Gainer does not recommend these types of drogues and I hope he posts his informed opinion here, too.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, er, Kurt Russell

if that really is your name, I don't think that Steve Martin was in the "Capt Ron" movie which I rather liked if a bit over-romanticized. That does not mean you could not know Steve Martin if you were hanging out with that set in Vail. Speaking of Goldie I liked "Overboard" a lot as well - a lot of action on and around the water. My guess is that your name really is Ron, perhaps something like Ron Chappell; a guy who posts regularly on the CSBB where coincidentally Robert Gainer is a frequent poster as well. Gotta love Robert Gainer's posts. Always ending with: "All the best." To get on the topic of drogues of which I know very little, I liked your story about the guy with the old car tire hanging around on his boat, presumably tucked away in some locker (must have been a pretty big boat) that he used as a drogue in the "Queens Birthday Storm" to survive. I guess I'll try to tuck one away somewhere on my 27 footer in case the Hudson River or LI Sound ever get really gnarly, LOL. I would need to get the 300' of 1" line to use with it though. Where is Robert Gainer when you need him? Anyway, I enjoy reading all your posts, whoever you really are, so keep em coming! I was going to post this to you on the other thread about "Full Batten Mains" but I did not want to hijack Dale's thread in order to have a little fun so I have posted on your thread instead. Dale had a legitimate question on full battened main sails and you answered him and somehow ended up talking about drogues. Very funny. At least you had the integrity to start your own thread on the topic you started in his. If I was off base last night I apologize to all who might have been offended. A few too many perhaps but I could still read AND type (I guess this belongs in the other thread). Is Goldie still into saving the whales and such? What a lovely icon she made to all the young men of my generation. And what about that Meadow Sisto who played the daughter? She must be in her 30's and unfortunately still too young for either of us I suspect. So what is on the horizon for Kurt Russell, er, Capt. Ron; another movie or two or a few boat deliveries or perhaps both? Thanks for your input both on and off topic. Cheers!
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, er, Kurt Russell

if that really is your name, I don't think that Steve Martin was in the "Capt Ron" movie which I rather liked if a bit over-romanticized. That does not mean you could not know Steve Martin if you were hanging out with that set in Vail. Speaking of Goldie I liked "Overboard" a lot as well - a lot of action on and around the water. My guess is that your name really is Ron, perhaps something like Ron Chappell; a guy who posts regularly on the CSBB where coincidentally Robert Gainer is a frequent poster as well. Gotta love Robert Gainer's posts. Always ending with: "All the best." To get on the topic of drogues of which I know very little, I liked your story about the guy with the old car tire hanging around on his boat, presumably tucked away in some locker (must have been a pretty big boat) that he used as a drogue in the "Queens Birthday Storm" to survive. I guess I'll try to tuck one away somewhere on my 27 footer in case the Hudson River or LI Sound ever get really gnarly, LOL. I would need to get the 300' of 1" line to use with it though. Where is Robert Gainer when you need him? Anyway, I enjoy reading all your posts, whoever you really are, so keep em coming! I was going to post this to you on the other thread about "Full Batten Mains" but I did not want to hijack Dale's thread in order to have a little fun so I have posted on your thread instead. Dale had a legitimate question on full battened main sails and you answered him and somehow ended up talking about drogues. Very funny. At least you had the integrity to start your own thread on the topic you started in his. If I was off base last night I apologize to all who might have been offended. A few too many perhaps but I could still read AND type (I guess this belongs in the other thread). Is Goldie still into saving the whales and such? What a lovely icon she made to all the young men of my generation. And what about that Meadow Sisto who played the daughter? She must be in her 30's and unfortunately still too young for either of us I suspect. So what is on the horizon for Kurt Russell, er, Capt. Ron; another movie or two or a few boat deliveries or perhaps both? Thanks for your input both on and off topic. Cheers!
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, er, Kurt Russell

if that really is your name, I don't think that Steve Martin was in the "Capt Ron" movie which I rather liked if a bit over-romanticized. That does not mean you could not know Steve Martin if you were hanging out with that set in Vail. Speaking of Goldie I liked "Overboard" a lot as well - a lot of action on and around the water. My guess is that your name really is Ron, perhaps something like Ron Chappell; a guy who posts regularly on the CSBB where coincidentally Robert Gainer is a frequent poster as well. Gotta love Robert Gainer's posts. Always ending with: "All the best." To get on the topic of drogues of which I know very little, I liked your story about the guy with the old car tire hanging around on his boat, presumably tucked away in some locker (must have been a pretty big boat) that he used as a drogue in the "Queens Birthday Storm" to survive. I guess I'll try to tuck one away somewhere on my 27 footer in case the Hudson River or LI Sound ever get really gnarly, LOL. I would need to get the 300' of 1" line to use with it though. Where is Robert Gainer when you need him? Anyway, I enjoy reading all your posts, whoever you really are, so keep em coming! I was going to post this to you on the other thread about "Full Batten Mains" but I did not want to hijack Dale's thread in order to have a little fun so I have posted on your thread instead. Dale had a legitimate question on full battened main sails and you answered him and somehow ended up talking about drogues. Very funny. At least you had the integrity to start your own thread on the topic you started in his. If I was off base last night I apologize to all who might have been offended. A few too many perhaps but I could still read AND type (I guess this belongs in the other thread). Is Goldie still into saving the whales and such? What a lovely icon she made to all the young men of my generation. And what about that Meadow Sisto who played the daughter? She must be in her 30's and unfortunately still too young for either of us I suspect. So what is on the horizon for Kurt Russell, er, Capt. Ron; another movie or two or a few boat deliveries or perhaps both? Thanks for your input both on and off topic. Cheers!
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, er, Kurt Russell

if that really is your name, I don't think that Steve Martin was in the "Capt Ron" movie which I rather liked if a bit over-romanticized. That does not mean you could not know Steve Martin if you were hanging out with that set in Vail. Speaking of Goldie I liked "Overboard" a lot as well - a lot of action on and around the water. My guess is that your name really is Ron, perhaps something like Ron Chappell; a guy who posts regularly on the CSBB where coincidentally Robert Gainer is a frequent poster as well. Gotta love Robert Gainer's posts. Always ending with: "All the best." To get on the topic of drogues of which I know very little, I liked your story about the guy with the old car tire hanging around on his boat, presumably tucked away in some locker (must have been a pretty big boat) that he used as a drogue in the "Queens Birthday Storm" to survive. I guess I'll try to tuck one away somewhere on my 27 footer in case the Hudson River or LI Sound ever get really gnarly, LOL. I would need to get the 300' of 1" line to use with it though. Where is Robert Gainer when you need him? Anyway, I enjoy reading all your posts, whoever you really are, so keep em coming! I was going to post this to you on the other thread about "Full Batten Mains" but I did not want to hijack Dale's thread in order to have a little fun so I have posted on your thread instead. Dale had a legitimate question on full battened main sails and you answered him and somehow ended up talking about drogues. Very funny. At least you had the integrity to start your own thread on the topic you started in his. If I was off base last night I apologize to all who might have been offended. A few too many perhaps but I could still read AND type (I guess this belongs in the other thread). Is Goldie still into saving the whales and such? What a lovely icon she made to all the young men of my generation. And what about that Meadow Sisto who played the daughter? She must be in her 30's and unfortunately still too young for either of us I suspect. So what is on the horizon for Kurt Russell, er, Capt. Ron; another movie or two or a few boat deliveries or perhaps both? Thanks for your input both on and off topic. Cheers!
 
C

Capt Ron;-)

Not a Celeb Mr. Caleb

No, I don't really know those people, wish I did. Have a friend that does ski with them tho~ those rich people....;-) No, not me. I am a marine professional, but always learning and would not want folks to take my advice too seereeusly. Because of a minor professional staus + I could be liable? Mr Gainer is a gentleman and highly knowledgable without doubt, dunno why he would have disdain for a series drogue Warreen? I see lots of crazy inventions that are the defintiion of the word 'quixotic' keep the english rich and make each word pull an oar say I; else they go overboard. The series drogue is one of the win-win items that are not seen often enough like the servo-pendalem windvane or solar panels, EPIRB... well there are quite a few nowadays. I see no offense Mr Caleb, in fact you have to hit me with a sledge-hammer, I took your remarks in good stride, funny, i did steal that AKA from Kurt in Cap'n Ron great fun film. I am not here to impress friends or abscond some business, if so I'd use my real name and interpol wouldst have me...;-) Am nursing a bum knee I injured on a ski trip recently so have lotta time, but still only respond to posts I have some knowledge of. No, don't know what Joe was talking about, but 'off base' is much less offensive than some of the remarks I've seen herebouts. No, for my part I did not see how you were 'off base' but I made one mistake before too...bout forty year ago...lol. They are very environmentally conscious people, and the daughter is a real beauty too; good skiers all. Now for another glass...Australian Shraz. BTW, the German fellow, as memory serves, had that tire up on his bow for some reason, but did not think of it as a sea-ancor till caught in that full-blown-storm whence some twelve yachts were rescued by the New Zealand coast guard. on that day, all accounted for none died. I was in Akahu Bay, Auckland with my schooner, but knew several of the folks involved in that storm 80-90 knots with terrific breaking seas...
 
C

Capt Ron;-)

Not a Celeb Mr. Caleb

No, I don't really know those people, wish I did. Have a friend that does ski with them tho~ those rich people....;-) No, not me. I am a marine professional, but always learning and would not want folks to take my advice too seereeusly. Because of a minor professional staus + I could be liable? Mr Gainer is a gentleman and highly knowledgable without doubt, dunno why he would have disdain for a series drogue Warreen? I see lots of crazy inventions that are the defintiion of the word 'quixotic' keep the english rich and make each word pull an oar say I; else they go overboard. The series drogue is one of the win-win items that are not seen often enough like the servo-pendalem windvane or solar panels, EPIRB... well there are quite a few nowadays. I see no offense Mr Caleb, in fact you have to hit me with a sledge-hammer, I took your remarks in good stride, funny, i did steal that AKA from Kurt in Cap'n Ron great fun film. I am not here to impress friends or abscond some business, if so I'd use my real name and interpol wouldst have me...;-) Am nursing a bum knee I injured on a ski trip recently so have lotta time, but still only respond to posts I have some knowledge of. No, don't know what Joe was talking about, but 'off base' is much less offensive than some of the remarks I've seen herebouts. No, for my part I did not see how you were 'off base' but I made one mistake before too...bout forty year ago...lol. They are very environmentally conscious people, and the daughter is a real beauty too; good skiers all. Now for another glass...Australian Shraz. BTW, the German fellow, as memory serves, had that tire up on his bow for some reason, but did not think of it as a sea-ancor till caught in that full-blown-storm whence some twelve yachts were rescued by the New Zealand coast guard. on that day, all accounted for none died. I was in Akahu Bay, Auckland with my schooner, but knew several of the folks involved in that storm 80-90 knots with terrific breaking seas...
 
C

Capt Ron;-)

Not a Celeb Mr. Caleb

No, I don't really know those people, wish I did. Have a friend that does ski with them tho~ those rich people....;-) No, not me. I am a marine professional, but always learning and would not want folks to take my advice too seereeusly. Because of a minor professional staus + I could be liable? Mr Gainer is a gentleman and highly knowledgable without doubt, dunno why he would have disdain for a series drogue Warreen? I see lots of crazy inventions that are the defintiion of the word 'quixotic' keep the english rich and make each word pull an oar say I; else they go overboard. The series drogue is one of the win-win items that are not seen often enough like the servo-pendalem windvane or solar panels, EPIRB... well there are quite a few nowadays. I see no offense Mr Caleb, in fact you have to hit me with a sledge-hammer, I took your remarks in good stride, funny, i did steal that AKA from Kurt in Cap'n Ron great fun film. I am not here to impress friends or abscond some business, if so I'd use my real name and interpol wouldst have me...;-) Am nursing a bum knee I injured on a ski trip recently so have lotta time, but still only respond to posts I have some knowledge of. No, don't know what Joe was talking about, but 'off base' is much less offensive than some of the remarks I've seen herebouts. No, for my part I did not see how you were 'off base' but I made one mistake before too...bout forty year ago...lol. They are very environmentally conscious people, and the daughter is a real beauty too; good skiers all. Now for another glass...Australian Shraz. BTW, the German fellow, as memory serves, had that tire up on his bow for some reason, but did not think of it as a sea-ancor till caught in that full-blown-storm whence some twelve yachts were rescued by the New Zealand coast guard. on that day, all accounted for none died. I was in Akahu Bay, Auckland with my schooner, but knew several of the folks involved in that storm 80-90 knots with terrific breaking seas...
 
C

Capt Ron;-)

Not a Celeb Mr. Caleb

No, I don't really know those people, wish I did. Have a friend that does ski with them tho~ those rich people....;-) No, not me. I am a marine professional, but always learning and would not want folks to take my advice too seereeusly. Because of a minor professional staus + I could be liable? Mr Gainer is a gentleman and highly knowledgable without doubt, dunno why he would have disdain for a series drogue Warreen? I see lots of crazy inventions that are the defintiion of the word 'quixotic' keep the english rich and make each word pull an oar say I; else they go overboard. The series drogue is one of the win-win items that are not seen often enough like the servo-pendalem windvane or solar panels, EPIRB... well there are quite a few nowadays. I see no offense Mr Caleb, in fact you have to hit me with a sledge-hammer, I took your remarks in good stride, funny, i did steal that AKA from Kurt in Cap'n Ron great fun film. I am not here to impress friends or abscond some business, if so I'd use my real name and interpol wouldst have me...;-) Am nursing a bum knee I injured on a ski trip recently so have lotta time, but still only respond to posts I have some knowledge of. No, don't know what Joe was talking about, but 'off base' is much less offensive than some of the remarks I've seen herebouts. No, for my part I did not see how you were 'off base' but I made one mistake before too...bout forty year ago...lol. They are very environmentally conscious people, and the daughter is a real beauty too; good skiers all. Now for another glass...Australian Shraz. BTW, the German fellow, as memory serves, had that tire up on his bow for some reason, but did not think of it as a sea-ancor till caught in that full-blown-storm whence some twelve yachts were rescued by the New Zealand coast guard. on that day, all accounted for none died. I was in Akahu Bay, Auckland with my schooner, but knew several of the folks involved in that storm 80-90 knots with terrific breaking seas...
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, it has been fun for me too

Sorry to hear about the knee injury. Perhaps the Shiraz will help expedite the repairs or at least nullify any pain. It occurred to me that I have noticed small ferry boats using old tires as bumpers. Maybe your German fellow had some other use for the tire than an unsightly fender but found that the drag it created made the ride smoother in that nasty blow. As for the pain in your knee: it will end. I wish you well. Caleb Davison - calebjess aht aol dot calm
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, it has been fun for me too

Sorry to hear about the knee injury. Perhaps the Shiraz will help expedite the repairs or at least nullify any pain. It occurred to me that I have noticed small ferry boats using old tires as bumpers. Maybe your German fellow had some other use for the tire than an unsightly fender but found that the drag it created made the ride smoother in that nasty blow. As for the pain in your knee: it will end. I wish you well. Caleb Davison - calebjess aht aol dot calm
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, it has been fun for me too

Sorry to hear about the knee injury. Perhaps the Shiraz will help expedite the repairs or at least nullify any pain. It occurred to me that I have noticed small ferry boats using old tires as bumpers. Maybe your German fellow had some other use for the tire than an unsightly fender but found that the drag it created made the ride smoother in that nasty blow. As for the pain in your knee: it will end. I wish you well. Caleb Davison - calebjess aht aol dot calm
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Hey Capt Ron, it has been fun for me too

Sorry to hear about the knee injury. Perhaps the Shiraz will help expedite the repairs or at least nullify any pain. It occurred to me that I have noticed small ferry boats using old tires as bumpers. Maybe your German fellow had some other use for the tire than an unsightly fender but found that the drag it created made the ride smoother in that nasty blow. As for the pain in your knee: it will end. I wish you well. Caleb Davison - calebjess aht aol dot calm
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,204
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Drogues and Sea Anchors

A friend of mine had both and helped him a lot when he got caught in the edge of a hurricane and then lost his rudder some time later. He was single handing which means he needed to have a break from time to time to deal with his problems and also to ride out the gales. See the link from a few years ago. Rick D.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,204
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Drogues and Sea Anchors

A friend of mine had both and helped him a lot when he got caught in the edge of a hurricane and then lost his rudder some time later. He was single handing which means he needed to have a break from time to time to deal with his problems and also to ride out the gales. See the link from a few years ago. Rick D.
 
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