Self tapping screws / bolts

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
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Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
Ok so probably a very elementary question, however no real experience and would love some opinions. One of the parts in this springs project can attach either by a bolt all the way through with a nut on the other side or just a single self tapping bolt/ screw. This will be going into solid aluminum so relatively soft. Aesthetically I feel it would be better with just a self tapping bolt, however have never really worked with them. Is it as simple as predrilling and then screwing it in??

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Greg
 
Apr 3, 2020
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Hunter 23.5 Frenchtown, MT
it depends on what you're attaching and the expected working load. I'm not a fan of self tapping for much of anything, with the possible exception of deck boards on a utility trailer. If you have room for a proper tap use one to thread the aluminum.
 
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A self tapping screw generally has the end of the screw formed like a drill so it drills the hole itself and then the screw pulls itself in. Use a drill with a screw driver bit.
Which to use? Would need to see more to judge.
 

NYSail

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Never tapped before so was looking for simplest route. The part will be expoxied also...... load is just weight down. Leg will have this inserted......

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Oct 19, 2017
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Yes it is that simple. However, aluminum, as you point out, is soft and flexible. If you were going to be putting a significant load on it or there are going to be variable forces that may work the screw back and forth in the hole, go with the thru-bolt.

You will probably also want to use a corrosion inhibitor on the screws.

-Will
 

jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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Greg.
I have no idea what that picture is or how it is used on the boat.

Will Gilmore properly suggest that if the thing you want to attach will move it will work the screw out. If it needs to be secure always follow Will’s recommendation.

I have not seen a “self tapping bolt” as bolts are used to secure a thing by going through an object and then securing the bolt in place with a nut.
A self tapping screw is used to drill it self into an object and hold on.

In aluminum I use a drill bit to make a hole then hand tap screw threads into the hole. The size of the tap is based on the job and the screw threads of the fastener. Generally a course not a fine thread fastener is used in aluminum. Using a product like Lanocote will help prevent the corrosion of a SS screw in aluminum.

That is the longer version answer.
 

jssailem

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Oct 22, 2014
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Greg, it is never this easy to find and share advice from folks you read. But today that is different. I saw this snippet of advice from John Harries who has owned Aluminum boats and talks about sailing them during his lifetime on his website "morganscloud.com".
"stainless steel machine screws—never that invention of the devil, self-tapping screws"
 

Tedd

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Jul 25, 2013
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I feel like we're talking about sheet aluminum here, in which case you don't want to tap it. Generally speaking, you only want to tap a hole (in any material) if the material thickness is at least 1.5 times the diameter of the screw. (In a pinch, with light load, 1.0 times the diameter might be okay.) That's unlikely to be the case with sheet metal.

If you're using self-tapping screws in sheet metal then, yes, you just drill the hole and then drive the screw in. In a soft material like aluminum, I generally make the pilot hole just slightly smaller than the root diameter of the thread on the screw.

I'm not a huge fan of self-tapping screws in sheet metal, though. They're fine for a quick and dirty job, and they're also fine for a joint that carries little load, is not mission critical, and will rarely be undone. If it doesn't meet those criteria then I find a different solution. Since I also find separate nuts annoying, I like to use a plate nut (sometimes called a "speed nut") or some kind of fixed nut, such as a rivet nut or swaged nut. It's more work up front, but you'll thank me later. If you don't expect to have to take it apart very often (i.e., probably never again as long as you own the boat), then nuts are fine.
 
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Jun 2, 2004
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Be careful with self tapping stainless steel screws the heads tend to twist off much easier than regular steel ones.

Rivets may be a better option
 

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
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Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
That’s a good point. It is for the feet of an arch and it will also serve to hold my dinghy. Even though it will also be epoxied in place, maybe the through bolt is the way......

Greg
 
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