Selden Anodized Mast & Boom

Sep 12, 2015
94
2002 Hunter 356 Oakville
Hi,

The anodized mast and boom on my 356 is a little chalky (boat was in salt), I would like to try to bring back the finish. The owner’s manual recommends using car wax.. any other recommendations? can the finish on a 02 be brought back to life or is the anodizing shot??
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
Car wax will not do it, as the chalkiness is oxidation, which is a chemical change in the metal, not a physical change. It is, in fact, the metal's way of protecting itself. It is a product of the metal being in water, in this case aluminum, being one of the less-noble metals (more vulnerable to corrosion), and salt water, much more corrosive than fresh water.

The only real ways to be rid of this are:
1. Regularly sand it down to bare (barer) metal and keep waxing it over, which won't result in a shiny finish and does involve removing some of the thickness till, some day in future, the metal will be unsafely thin. This will help if you're seeing distinct scratches, but if it's rather evenly over the whole surface this isn't a good plan.
2. Clean it, solvent-wash it, and paint it with true epoxy paint (Brightside, Perfection, Awlgrip; pick a color). This will seal the metal from the air (at least, on the outside, where it gets most wet) and stave off-- for much longer than sanding will do-- the oxidation.

The truth is that nothing short of removing the aluminum permanently to a dry, electrolytically-pure environment will stop normal oxidation.

If you are observing particularly localized splotches of whitish oxidation near some of the fittings-- internal-halyard sheaves, exit plates; the wear plates under Selden's toggle shroud attachments are a typical spot-- this is due to bimetallic corrosion, the effect of two metals being together in water. It's why you should not put gold-rimmed dishware or real-silver flatware into the dishwasher with common stainless-steel things, which, especially with caustic dishwasher detergent (a base), leads to a gradual pitting and a slow vanishing of the more-expensive but less-noble metals.

On your boat, the more serious bimetallic corrosion is actually much easier to avoid than the more minor all-over surface oxidation (which really isn't a problem at all, except aesthetically). As a quick stopgap (which actually works wonders), remove each stainless-steel piece, whenever you get to it, and cover its back with electrical tape (I use the white stuff, especially with white-painted spars). Then, reinstall it. Use electrically-insulating thread-locker (the semi-permanent kind at the strongest) on the screws. The tape will insulate the metals from each other, saving the aluminum, the less-noble of the two, from being eaten away.

There are other, more expensive ways to do this-- one excellent but costly recommendation is to coat the backs of the stainless-steel parts with Tef-Gel, at about $20.00 for a tiny tube, a procedure that needs to be done every few seasons. Figure on two whole tubes for one dose for the average 40-footer's spar. The tape will last for years and its failure mode is ideal-- it just gets crispier but stays in place and remains more or less an effective insulator. Those less concerned with finesse have been known to gob up silicone behind each piece too; but, as this adheres them somewhat, it makes a real mess to redo it (which it does need as ugly, stinky mold forms in the silicone).

As for boom bails and other pins through the spars, remove them and install fender washers of nylon (available at Lowe's) or Delrin (available at McMaster.com) between the stainless-steel tang or bail and the aluminum. If there are stainless-steel wear plates here, do as above with the tape. If not, consider overdrilling them and installing aluminum tubes through the raw holes like bushings for the pins (I would not do without this on any boat, especially on shroud-tang pins). Squeezing a little white lithium grease onto the shank of the pin in the process will help too.

Come to think of it, squeeze that lithium grease on the turnbuckle screws too-- like every month or so-- and on anywhere else mounting or moving pins of one metal are in direct contact with holes in another, such as on stainless-steel self-tailers on bronze or aluminum winches. Needless to say, aluminum should NEVER be in direct contact with either bronze or brass (unless you intend your boat to be a kind of science experiment). :doh:

These measures can and should be taken by everyone, especially before seeing visible signs of oxidizing corrosion ('cause they'll help prevent it). The all-over whitishness you're seeing can very well be the result of a whole spar going slowly bad because stuff wasn't done like what I, and the higher-quality boating industry, recommend. Sadly, it's consistent with what I know of both 'new' (post-1983) Hunter and Selden to brainlessly recommend something like car wax for something like this. It's like I so often say: sometimes the boatbuilder is not your friend.:banghead:

Sorry if sometimes (most times) I don't provide the $2 answer but default to the $200 one. My bad! ;)
 
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Sep 12, 2015
94
2002 Hunter 356 Oakville
Thanks for taking the time to respond with such a detailed post covering the lines of oxidation and metal reactions that occur with dissimilar metals. I know full on what it's like to refinish / paint a mast as I did this with my last boat (see pictures). I will definitely take the recommendations suggested. At this point for the most part it is strictly cosmMast 3.jpgetic Mast 1.jpg Mast 2.jpg
 
Sep 12, 2015
94
2002 Hunter 356 Oakville
25yearslater that stick looks fantastic!! At this point I don't think I will be going to crazy just wanted to cosmetically clean up the mast and boom's slight chalky appearance. I don't know if the affected anodizing / area can be brought back with buffing or using some kind of coating or wax? I understand that this would be a temporary fix but I just wanted to improve the cosmetics.
Dave,
 
Jun 5, 2010
1,123
Hunter 25 Burlington NJ
As I said, Knot, wax won't do it. You'll only be polishing what's already there. It's not a matter of a 'temporary fix'; it's a matter of how the materials work together.

The chalky corrosion is a chemical change-- it doesn't 'sand off'. Sanding or buffing with serious (gritty) compound will remove the chalkiness-- but that means removing the actual metal that is chalky, not the chalkiness from the metal. It's like scraping the moldy part off the bread-- you lose the bread itself too.

I would forget about it till you feel like painting the spar. When it comes time for painting, you have really three options.
1. Strip the spar to nothing but aluminum, send it out for re-anodizing. Check to see if any shops can do this. As far as I know, technically, it can be done.
2. Ditto; but send it out for powder-coating. This is rapidly becoming the hot new cool way of treating marine metals; and it's terrific, also much cheaper (usually) then anodizing.
3. Paint it with epoxy paint, as I said. Remember that Awlgrip does not stick to stainless steel; so you'll still have to strip the spar to aluminum if that's your coating of choice. Personally I prefer Brightside or Perfection as they're much more easily touched-up in the field.
 
Aug 20, 2010
1,399
Oday 27 Oak Orchard
Thanks Knot. Take Diana's advise on this. Aluminum is an awful metal. The gray you see when you rub something across it is aluminum oxide. This is the way aluminum protects itself from further deterioration. Waxing over it won't really do much as the oxide will quickly throw off the wax. Etching the metal prior to painting is critical so that the paint sticks. Aluma Prep and Alodine do this quite well but there are many etching primers available that will also do this without the toxicity. Good luck.